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For those familiar with the television direct response mega-hit Smart Spin, Warren Tuttle was the person behind the scenes helping to orchestrate its overnight success. Teaming with a Boston based inventor, Merchant Media was selected to launch this innovative product which resulted in over 10 million units being sold. Smart Spin remains one of the best-selling housewares products of all time.
Warren also teamed to initiate the market launch of several other innovative housewares products including MISTO, The Gourmet Olive Oil Sprayer, which has sold over 7 million units around the world to date, and The Toss and Turn Pan, one of the best-selling cookware fry-pans in the US a few years ago.
Warren has also helped numerous housewares product patent holders obtain licensing agreements with major U.S. manufacturers. In total, Warren has been instrumental in launching inventor-developed products with a combined retail value of over a half a billion dollars. He has additionally counseled many other inventors, at no charge, who went on to start their own small businesses.
Warren also serves as the President of the United Inventors Association. He speaks regularly around the country on licensing and open innovation issues at inventor clubs, industry trade shows and, even on occasion, United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) events. Warren resides with his wife and three daughters in Southern Connecticut, just outside of New York City.

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hi everyone and welcome to inventors
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Launchpad roadmap to success I am Carmine
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Denisco your host for this edition of
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inventors launch pad and today on the
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show we have an inventor he's an
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innovator he's an entrepreneur the great
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thing about this particular guest is he
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donates a huge portion of his time to
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United inventors Association he is
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actually the president of the uia and
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his name is Warren Tuttle we have on the
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line and I'm honored to have him on the
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show hey Warren are you over there i am
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here thank you hey Warren thank you for
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being on the show today and before we
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get started I want to thank you
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personally for using your time in
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donating so much time to helping
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inventors I don't know how many people
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might thank you but I really really want
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to thank you for doing that for the
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events that are out there well that's
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really nice comments thank you kindly
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you know we have all been touched by
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this industry and I've been fortunate to
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meet a lot of wonderful inventors and
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makers innovators and have had a lot of
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hip products so it's my pleasure really
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to give something back you know and I
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think I think for many of us I'm sure
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you feel the same way you know giving
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back is in what you're doing here in
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hand hosting these shows and educating
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people it's all it's all part of a
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family of giving back so thank you come
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oh no no criminal I I totally agree and
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that's what it is I mean as we talked
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about and I know you probably say no one
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really does the thing that is great
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alone and I think that just you helping
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out and doing things just that little
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bit of information that little jump that
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little push over that fence can really
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help those innovators those inventors
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and real quick how did you get started
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with the OIA was it something that you
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joined years ago where they approached
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you well good question i am not sure how
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far back i should take it crab fritters
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but if you're talking about offline
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before you know i started my career in
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retailing out of college many many years
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ago as a new york-based brooklyn-based
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harvest or called Abrahamic Strauss
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doesn't exist any longer today but one
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of the one of the great stores in
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America one of the great fire training
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programs many of the people that start
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at Bed Bath came out of a net Adriana
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Strauss is a a lot of people I still
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work with today it was Lizzie was a
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great great training ground back in the
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day so I learned retailing then I
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started my own businesses just shooting
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through the years I had six of my own
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stores called the complete kitchen that
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were similar to williams-sonoma stores
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this is after i was a buyer to NFS end
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up here up in Connecticut Westchester
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County and then I started a food
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business called the good food store and
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at a cooking school on kitchen design is
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I had about 65 employees at one time in
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only the locations and one day and
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inventor walked in off the street
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literally and he had a product called
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misto the olive oil sprayer and I think
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I told him I didn't have time to see him
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go he wouldn't take no for an answer
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here's a classic inventor probably the
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first real inventor but this is back in
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the 90s and once he showed me the
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product I fell in love with it was ended
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up being called mr. Leal grill for me
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olive oil sprayer and i ended up teaming
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up with Tom rishta to we went out and
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sold millions and millions of Miss toads
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and it was it was an inventor that
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developed this in his garage and came in
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with the prototype and we ended up
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taking it to market together and he was
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a phenomenal experience and pretty soon
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I lost interest in my source if I
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decided that I like this world of
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launching products so I got involved in
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several other products launching them
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with other inventors my next one was a
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total failure we won't talk about that
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there's not enough time today to therapy
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are you saying are you saying not not
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every product is a home run I was so
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lucky out of the gate to be associated
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with Tom and it was a hit product and he
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had developed it and and well it became
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a hit product every week we told the
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first pieces but it was I look back down
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and realized we were very fortunate at
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the time you're right i thought
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everything was everything was easy you
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know and but but the next product we
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won't talk wheels a saucepan stirring
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devices it was a brilliant brilliant
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brilliant plan but
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it failed and and in the meanwhile I had
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a guy another inventor who kept ringing
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me a product over and over and over
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again cults that ended up being called
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smart spin and I kept telling him I
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didn't have enough time for him because
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I was trying to clean up you know the
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problems with the earlier one so he
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waited about almost a year and then
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finally i finished my obligations
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financial obligations to my other
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partners and I called them up and we
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took smart screen to Margot and we were
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right back in the rodeo yet we saw we
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put on the RTV and result I think over
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10 10 10 million so so anyway I don't
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know if you can see my hand but my
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career was kind of going up and now and
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I was you know I you know was stabilized
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a little bit i had a couple of other
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products that worked on it we're okay
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and I mean why I learned a lot a lot a
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lot a lot a lot of valuable lessons
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about how to do things not to do that
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means self-taught and but I pretty much
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knew the retail landscape pretty well
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and and and learned a lot about
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development and so forth and then a
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large company hadn't housewares business
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called lifetime grants to notice of what
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I was doing and asked me if I could help
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them with a manager on their program was
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the first time I thought well maybe I
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could team up so ten years ago i started
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a what we call an open innovation
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program with lifetime brands i'm an
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independent outside contractor
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consultant and i work very closely with
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the management the company and we funnel
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in thousands and thousands of weeds
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every year to left I brands and I invest
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them and I pull them together in a
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lifetime license eight or ten of them a
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year and we want to do that program so
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and so I sort of vetted in a long the
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way so the answer your question back
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five minutes ago wait a min I i asked
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the question so coming back around drew
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so along the way as I was learning more
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about product development and getting
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things that I noticed that there was a
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local inventor club in my area called
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unit called the Venice Association
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connecticut and i joined it and i
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started going there meetings and meeting
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other and inventors of product
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developers sister and i ended up getting
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on getting involved in it and for this
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parallel path and then eventually I got
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notice by the National Board there is
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naturally nine minutes ago so they asked
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me eventually we come on board and then
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next thing you know it I became
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president so so this parallel path of
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helping inventors and then helping the
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company and developing the company part
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when in parallel with with this
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nonprofit mission of giving something
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back to inventors and it's been a real
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pleasure to do both sides simultaneously
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Wow well it's amazing to me yes that you
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had no thoughts about being an inventor
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until this gentleman walked in your
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store yeah yeah yeah and I need to be
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honest with folks i am not a good
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inventor oh I am NOT I suck as a runner
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really i really respect inventors
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because i can relate to a minute and i
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know the process and I know it's
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involved in product development but I'm
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like a chef who has no taste you know
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I'm like a baseball player that can't
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hit a curve ball what I am really good
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at spotting I'd be a good general
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manager in this one brecon spot talent
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and because I can relate to inventors
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and all that they go through and I've
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been in my own business many many years
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I relate to them so I realized that my
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role was more in helping inventors
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represent them advocate for them
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understand them and then try to try to
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translate what it is that they're trying
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to say often so that big companies
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because I I'm not wearing a student I
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today but I can put the suit and tie on
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like tomorrow I'll be a lifetime brands
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all day and I can I could play that role
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so because of my background so I'm I'm a
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hybrid and and and I perform a unique I
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have a unique role yeah well you know
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with what was interesting about what you
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said is that what your role is is super
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important and a lot of inventors may not
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realize that but just like golfers and
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and every every professional athlete has
8:32
a coat that coach might not be great at
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the game but they can coach and just
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like pro golfers have a coach or whoever
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so what inventors don't realize is that
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they need that helped a lot of times and
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and having you is probably super
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important yeah yeah it is and
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and a lot of people you know come in to
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the arena and don't have a lot of
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knowledge or background and there and
8:59
there and what you're doing is wonderful
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with the podcast to give them a
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collection of different viewpoints on
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that but then a lot of times not sure
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where they should go they end up you
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know either going to companies are
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paying money or hiring folks and and and
9:15
spending a lot of money on that and they
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may get good information they may not
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it's so if they can be helped by people
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who are on the ground and want to
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dedicate their time energy like I do and
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there's other folks out there than that
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that's that can be a real big help books
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yeah I agree now is there a few things
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that that you would you know what else
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about would give an inventor some advice
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like one a couple things or it and maybe
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after that something that you can pick
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out right away something you look for
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right away sure well first of all you
9:47
know inventors and ni and I and I
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brought in to turn these days to also
9:52
include makers you know innovators
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product developers designers you know
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but particularly in Venice we have a
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soft spot they they one of the
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characteristics that runs through all
10:04
inventors is they all have this great
10:07
desire to solve problems and make things
10:10
better and I find that you know only
10:13
certain people are touched by this
10:15
venner bug and and and for a lot of them
10:20
they can't stop you know thinking of new
10:22
ideas and so it's a unique background
10:26
unique individual so one of the first
10:29
things I think for an inventor is to
10:31
recognize that they are an inventor and
10:33
that's who they are as it's okay you
10:34
know it's okay you thought about you
10:37
know doing things it takes a bigger
10:39
group sometimes sometimes people have
10:42
all these thoughts or through their head
10:43
and they don't realize that they're sort
10:45
of unique individuals the thing is is
10:47
that a lot of times that what drives
10:49
them to be a great inventor and this
10:51
thought process and this uniqueness that
10:53
they have because I'd say it flicks
10:55
about 5% of society you know that they
10:57
really feel us are not necessarily great
10:59
skill sets
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or running a business or negotiating
11:05
with a company because they tend to be
11:08
very free thinkers very out-of-the-box
11:10
thinkers creative independent don't take
11:14
no for an answer you know all the good
11:15
things that you need in life as a
11:17
pioneer to you know to go west young
11:20
minute but ya and settle you know what's
11:22
tell people that men do lives but if
11:24
someone told me once a lot of times and
11:26
pioneers get the arrows settlers get the
11:28
land so what with the hard thing is a
11:31
pioneer is to shift gears so what I try
11:35
to do is get to know the inventor of up
11:38
front look I don't have time to speak to
11:41
everyone I get many thousands of lives a
11:44
year but I have a pretty easy question
11:47
and people fill out that I start to get
11:48
a feel for them a little bit of who they
11:50
are just the way they answer the
11:52
questions and so forth and then I like
11:53
to know once I got to feel how far along
11:57
are they in the in the process and how
11:59
far up the food chain are they and two
12:02
things really jump out to me they may
12:05
have a great idea that's fine but have
12:08
they turned that into a functioning
12:10
prototype that proves function and
12:13
that's a big step okay it's one thing to
12:15
have an idea it's another thing to make
12:17
it work okay and it doesn't have to look
12:18
pretty it can be handmade you can be
12:20
made in the basement so that's something
12:22
I usually you know get into with folks
12:24
and then I usually see have they checked
12:26
out electric properties you know patents
12:30
particularly utility patents at least to
12:32
know what else is out there and they
12:34
they vetted the marketplace to
12:36
understand you know what's going on and
12:39
pursued that so so one I want to get to
12:41
know them a little bit who they are are
12:43
they are they really an inventor that
12:46
they really think out the box and then I
12:48
want to know specifically have they
12:51
taken these steps that they haven't done
12:53
I advise them you know to go in that
12:55
direction yeah oh no that's that's great
12:58
advice because it sounded again we speak
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with a lot of great inventors they call
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their very excited and you're you're
13:04
exactly right a lot of they're so
13:05
excited they believe because they had
13:06
the idea that it hasn't been thought of
13:08
before and and hopefully it hasn't put
13:10
you you know you want them to spend that
13:12
time not only make sure it's not it's
13:13
not been invented before
13:15
also in your idea feasible does it work
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so totally agree well that's right
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because a lot of times people will send
13:21
me sketches or sometimes they'll do
13:24
fancy CAD work you know assisted
13:26
drawings which are cool to look at but
13:29
they don't prove function and and and
13:32
sometimes they can't be built and then
13:34
we get into the issue and we can talk
13:35
about a little bit conectate produce for
13:37
the right price but as an entry level
13:39
it's exciting you have an idea and you
13:43
bet that idea a little bit by talking to
13:45
friends and family you know you get some
13:47
good feedback but eventually you have to
13:48
convert that idea into something and and
13:51
and and so the companies that I
13:53
represent you know you can't even get to
13:56
first base unless you get there now I
13:58
know that there are books and there are
14:01
people out there wonderful people who
14:03
get admitted inspired it's a all it is
14:05
an idea and you know it's great to get
14:09
them started but when i get folks at
14:11
only on that but then I my role to
14:13
educated no you gotta go a little bit
14:15
farther down the path you know we talked
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about mr. before one of the great things
14:19
that and one of the lucky fortune of
14:21
things is that inventor had built it
14:23
functioning prototype did it worked out
14:25
all the kinks and it really worked and
14:26
it made it very easy to take the next
14:28
step so I think those are those are
14:30
before we even get to the next things
14:33
have you built one does it work does it
14:36
function and then have you bedded it and
14:39
has anybody else to ever come up with
14:41
the idea or that particular utility
14:42
function see ya and I and I agree
14:45
because most inventors even myself we
14:48
have limited resources whether it's time
14:50
funds or help you want to be able to use
14:54
those in the correct path and the
14:56
correct sequence but you so if you're
14:57
sporadically jumping around you might
15:00
use up those resources and that really
15:02
made it far enough absolutely and from
15:06
my early days when I got in this I don't
15:08
know how many people I met that spent
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tens of thousands hundreds of thousands
15:12
of dollars and I'm much more aware of
15:15
that today than there was when I first
15:17
started I don't ever want to see people
15:20
spending a lot of money even when I
15:21
suggest to someone you should build a
15:22
working prototype I'm not telling you
15:24
that you should do that that's that you
15:25
have to make decisions over your own
15:27
if you have limited amount of fun you
15:29
have to spend that money wise and even
15:31
if you're rich you may want to want to
15:32
put your money to do that you may not
15:33
run in other things so the bottom line
15:36
is you got to watch every dollar because
15:38
it's a process you have to take it a
15:40
step at a time it's like you go to first
15:42
base we have second place you go to
15:43
third base but first base is is a
15:46
functioning prototype and you may find
15:48
along the way a couple of things it
15:50
doesn't work or you may find that maybe
15:54
you have to do it differently or go back
15:55
to the shop or you may find along the
15:57
way that that you change things and that
16:02
becomes a change in utility patent so
16:05
that when you file to protect you need
16:08
to evolve because very few things are
16:10
just ready from day one it takes a lot
16:11
of product development so you may find
16:13
all these things I notice I was like a
16:14
talking head segments no no find
16:16
yourself waking up one day yeah you need
16:19
to you know that's you need to you need
16:21
to go through that first process and if
16:23
you haven't done it you have not laid
16:25
the foundation that's necessary yeah
16:27
well I'm glad you say because there is a
16:29
sequence now it's not always the exact
16:31
sequence but you need to speak with
16:32
somebody like Warren who somebody who
16:35
actually has done it because there is a
16:37
sequence and it should be followed so
16:38
that those resources it's like it like
16:40
as one set you could have unlimited
16:42
funds but you still have to get into
16:43
that sequence before you go to first
16:46
base second base you can't just jump on
16:47
it because buyers retailers the RTV they
16:51
see it there's no there's no shortcut to
16:53
those stores of those right I mean it's
16:55
tough to get good to get there that's
16:57
right and when you finally get in front
16:59
of those folks you don't want you want
17:01
to have built a solid foundation you
17:02
know what I had a pact years and years
17:06
and years ago and I first got started I
17:07
went to williams-sonoma and I took a CAD
17:11
drive and I got booted out of the room
17:13
so you know hey you know what we've all
17:15
made these mistakes don't feel like you
17:17
no did you no they you know if anyone
17:19
feels like there's the first version
17:20
ever going to have this path but but I
17:23
would say that's where that step that
17:25
sort of start for the game and you know
17:28
the what I probably didn't say if I run
17:31
open innovation programs for three large
17:32
companies one is the largest housewares
17:34
coming in the u.s. called like 10 grand
17:36
the second is the largest power tool
17:38
company can be called tektronix
17:41
industries they may cry of a rigid
17:42
Milwaukee power tools although I don't
17:44
work so much for the market I work with
17:46
the rigid ryobi folks and then I also do
17:48
it for direct response television
17:50
company merchant media so the this is
17:53
this is said with an awful lot of
17:55
experience on how these you know these
17:57
are they're not large companies by
17:59
united states damage we're not talking
18:01
General Electric here you know we're but
18:02
but but but in the housewares business
18:05
to the left over is the largest kitchen
18:06
guys come in the world so and and and so
18:09
you're working with a team there you're
18:12
working with professionals you know if
18:13
you're not ready for prime time if it's
18:16
difficult to approach this come or only
18:19
for the company's maybe in your field
18:20
agree agree and and what people don't
18:23
sometimes realize is that the product
18:25
could be great it could be a great idea
18:27
but sometimes it just doesn't fit in the
18:29
market demographic you're going up
18:31
against a big brand there's other things
18:33
and other factors right that come into
18:35
play I mean the idea could be awesome it
18:37
could be an awesome idea some of the
18:41
wind may be taken out of your sails by a
18:42
similar product it's not as good as
18:44
yours just coming out of here before you
18:46
can say what you want mine is better but
18:48
they've already taken the marketplace
18:49
late you could be too early for the
18:52
processes it's you know that that you're
18:55
a visionary and you're ten years before
18:57
your time that's frustrating product
19:01
development is organic it's solving a
19:02
problem it's meeting the need and it's
19:04
starting small and it's and it's going
19:07
to these various checkpoints to evaluate
19:09
every step of the way that you have
19:12
something a lot of great products start
19:15
with something is current you know like
19:17
for instance in the kitchen gadget area
19:19
you know obviously people are in the
19:21
healthy cooking today they're into you
19:24
know heart friendly they're into the
19:28
environment they're into things that
19:31
make their lives easier in the kitchen
19:33
so if you're developing a kitchen tool
19:34
if you can make something that makes a
19:36
laborious task easier but at the same
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time it's good to the environment at the
19:43
same time you know it's healthy for you
19:46
the risotto then you'd have like a misto
19:49
misto sprays less oil do you use less
19:53
so this is good for your heart when
19:56
you're done using mr. unlike pam which
19:59
is a you know a gas-propelled you know
20:03
the product of your store shelf with low
20:06
grade oil and preservatives in it when
20:09
you're done with the can of pam you
20:11
throw in the landfill mr. can be
20:12
refilled so it's good for the
20:13
environment and of course it makes your
20:15
life easier and Susie to use so so that
20:18
was a home run you know so that's an
20:19
example of some of the thought process
20:21
that you go through but it hit on a
20:24
number of cylinders and successful
20:26
products usually solve a problem would
20:28
also qualify on several different fronts
20:31
and it takes a lot of product
20:32
development a lot of thought I mean Tom
20:33
rich spent two years developing misto
20:36
before I met you know so and and and by
20:39
the way you know I know sometimes
20:41
there's collaborative efforts in it and
20:43
inventing and but it's tough to mail it
20:47
in you know you have to have that
20:48
passion to go through if you really have
20:50
something but along the way try to look
20:52
up and see where you are and and just
20:56
make sure you're going in the right
20:57
direction so that you're not going off
20:59
the trail and that you keep you know
21:02
getting feedback and getting though it's
21:03
necessary to keep driving a towards your
21:05
ultimate goal of developing that product
21:07
it's a very very very tough thing to do
21:09
and I admire inventors we were able to
21:11
do it you know it is it is hard to be
21:13
open minded being able to pivot when you
21:15
need to because you know again hitting
21:18
that that idea that product on the head
21:21
the first time it's very very tough to
21:23
do so you need to be able to make
21:24
changes make you better pivot take you
21:26
know take information and take ideas
21:29
take criticism like from somebody like
21:31
yourself but know that you're just
21:33
trying to help you know and and that's
21:35
the most important thing I want to back
21:36
up a little bit and and maybe I should
21:39
have asked this I was just kind of
21:41
excited get you on the show I mean I
21:42
know you have a lot of other team
21:45
members at the uia I mean what is its
21:47
ultimate function well the GUI a and we
21:52
we stand for three things number one in
21:54
venom education number two to be helpful
21:57
in access to shelf so that we we can
22:00
direct people and our third component is
22:02
called advocacy hmm so we advocate I
22:05
actually spend time in Washington
22:07
both of the US Patent Office advocating
22:11
for invented rights only think things
22:14
aren't right and we also do that on
22:16
Capitol Hill some degree inventors are
22:20
woefully underrepresented patent system
22:23
is this well maybe I'll come back for
22:26
another contest Oh get you started on
22:29
that I mean it's not an abdomen good and
22:33
if you go on the UA you IA USA website
22:37
you'll see things but we also have a
22:39
Facebook page the you write a we do a
22:40
lot of posts on patent reform and things
22:43
right now for instance that there is a
22:45
major the AIA the American men ask X was
22:50
passed a couple of years ago it was a
22:52
major shift in patent system in the US
22:57
and most of it was was okay but there
23:01
were certain things put in with a visa
23:03
patent review boards now that you can
23:06
have an issued patent and come back
23:07
anyway without getting too technical we
23:09
try to go down I met met with the
23:11
director of patent office recently on
23:12
our all our thoughts we have a very
23:16
impressive board of attorney or we have
23:22
couple of attorney into a patent
23:23
attorneys who have large firms if
23:25
prevent as high as a Supreme Court we've
23:27
got very successful business people that
23:31
have run we have for instance the new
23:35
owner of quirky which is a great you
23:37
know crowdsourcing is on we have make 48
23:40
which is a brilliant new TV show that
23:42
was on PBS which is all about the maker
23:44
environment and competitions we have we
23:49
had the President started the grommet
23:51
knowledge of so weakly we so anyway long
23:54
story short was we have a wonderful
23:56
board and collection of people who are
23:57
like-minded folks that want to get back
23:58
and have a specific skill set that's
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very very impressive anybody wants to go
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on our you IA USA org website and see
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all the people are involved you'll know
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that we care deeply but at the end of
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the day we have a membership of about
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25,000 in men are
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which would be much bigger because it's
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phrase everybody should be a member but
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we also have about 75 affiliated metal
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clubs around the country including a
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great club in Tampa that's we try to get
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out to speak to and try to try to effect
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Jenner's lives through that too that my
0:34
other so you're saying that the
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membership is free at the LA a totally
0:39
free and we're going to go on a big
0:41
membership drive in the fall we gotta
0:42
reach out to more people that I don't
0:43
think people realize I have to do is
0:45
click on and be part of the part of a
0:47
community membership drive it's free
24:50:00
what stock era so I mean when you when
24:56:00
you have to spend money to get people to
24:58:00
join now you know people belong to their
25:01:00
local clubs yeah that's why they should
25:03:00
spend their fifty dollars a year you
25:05:00
know locally Rick we were more of a
25:07:00
virtual but we don't have huge resources
25:10:00
so it's a constant battle and so we
25:13:00
probably don't have the degree of
25:14:00
awareness that what we're up to but we
25:17:00
we we are lily white and we care deeply
25:20:00
about these things we don't want to say
25:21:00
anything negative about anybody but we
25:23:00
we try to stand for what's right there
25:26:00
and be very helpful no no I agree with
25:28:00
you we know that this is a it's a
25:30:00
without going crazy it's a tough
25:32:00
business this is a real real tough
25:34:00
industry to be in and we need people
25:36:00
like yourselves I mean the board members
25:38:00
that you mentioned and I and I've always
25:40:00
been watching you I egg and there's some
25:43:00
of the people that donate their time
25:44:00
it's it's phenomenal really is and we
25:46:00
have a four times a year we have a
25:49:00
national conference call so one of
25:51:00
them's today which is always fun we get
25:52:00
out for a couple laughs but we were all
25:53:00
be meeting in Dallas for two days in jan
25:57:00
and june to do a retreat and continually
26:00:00
think about what we can do to be helpful
26:02:00
so deneme has ideas we're here but it's
26:07:00
a it's fun it's also a national family
26:09:00
and by the way we we tell people
26:11:00
overseas to i'm talking with folks in
26:13:00
india about setting up a club i just got
26:15:00
back from speaking in ireland I've
26:17:00
spoken in Iceland to the rural and
26:18:00
better society so which things around
26:21:00
the world to so we try that's awesome
26:23:00
yeah we we have people contacting us all
26:25:00
over the world it seems like it seems
26:28:00
like the u.s. is a
26:29:00
ace for innovation in this sense and I'm
26:32:00
glad that you guys are out there you
26:33:00
mean like you said and you're trying to
26:35:00
help everyone and and the u.s. is
26:38:00
probably the largest market for
26:40:00
invention type products right no
26:42:00
question about it from our birth of our
26:46:00
country innovation has been important
26:49:00
the Patent Office was one of the first
26:51:00
buildings it was the first building up
26:53:00
the white house built in Washington the
26:55:00
first commissioner the White House of
26:57:00
the patent offices Thomas Jefferson it
27:00:00
doesn't take much thinking to think of
27:02:00
all the tremendous companies and
27:04:00
products from the light bulb to General
27:06:00
Electric and Tesla and everybody you
27:09:00
know everything makan gin I mean our
27:13:00
whole country so based on innovation
27:15:00
this is one reason why we want to fight
27:16:00
for strong patent rights just because
27:19:00
there's new tech firms of Northern
27:20:00
California who we won't name well they
27:24:00
want a you know different we can look
27:27:00
absolutely might be good for gold or
27:29:00
let's think about what's good for
27:31:00
America and what the next wave
27:32:00
innovation is and i will also admit that
27:35:00
innovation comes in different forms and
27:37:00
sizes a lot of what we do is in turn in
27:39:00
terms of consumer products and so forth
27:41:00
it's a little complicated when you get
27:43:00
into the internet and cell phones and
27:47:00
things but but i do believe that
27:48:00
innovation comes from it's on the ground
27:50:00
it's grassroots it's organic it we don't
27:53:00
ever want to lose that America because
27:54:00
it's been really the combination of that
27:56:00
tremendous will here to innovate in
27:58:00
America at the grassroots level and the
28:00:00
combination with capital and people
28:03:00
putting money into it if they're wealthy
28:05:00
individuals or entities micrornas or
28:07:00
companies that's made America what it is
28:10:00
today economically and and it's it's
28:12:00
what we what's required and I think
28:15:00
sometimes we lose sight of and we want
28:18:00
to kill the goose that lays the golden
28:19:00
eggs we it's just like if you want to be
28:23:00
a good football team you can't forget
28:25:00
how to block and tackle I mean you may
28:27:00
want to throw the ball every play but if
28:28:00
you don't block and tackle a tackle so
28:30:00
we need our fundamentals in place and
28:32:00
that's that's nothing to you guys yeah
28:35:00
well you got a-you got to remember the
28:37:00
basics there's no doubt about it and
28:38:00
that's one of the things I love about
28:39:00
the invention I don't want to say the
28:42:00
industry's you're venting
28:43:00
history as I'm big history buff and I
28:45:00
always think back when somebody bring
28:46:00
you a product like what it was like back
28:48:00
then and seventeen hundreds of a patent
28:51:00
and filing and I would love to have seen
28:53:00
that you know all those files and
28:55:00
patents going in it's just amazing how
28:57:00
long can it hit three we have today and
29:01:00
I've just finished I was inspired by the
29:04:00
play Hamilton to read the biography and
29:06:00
xander Hamilton this big time and do
29:09:00
setting up our financial systems
29:11:00
everything from wall street two and one
29:13:00
of the first things that they did was
29:15:00
they brought innovators from England who
29:16:00
could produce cotton and coughing
29:19:00
tournament clothing to set up you know
29:23:00
mills on rivers and New Jersey and
29:26:00
managers and start our infrastructure of
29:28:00
our company so country so everything has
29:30:00
shifted a little bit today about what
29:31:00
the specifics are but in terms of the
29:33:00
history of the country we're not were
29:36:00
although although there was an agrarian
29:39:00
component to America that Thomas
29:42:00
Jefferson and Madison those guys
29:43:00
representing one of the keep us all
29:45:00
farmers it was really result so a
29:47:00
finance and there is a industrial part
29:49:00
of it and that's what we're we are the
29:52:00
beneficiaries of today very much so and
29:55:00
so anyway it's that it's all fascinating
29:58:00
and it's a student of it i think you
30:01:00
know you would enjoy reading that book
30:03:00
yeah i know that is that in and that was
30:05:00
actually leading to my next question is
30:07:00
are are there some places that that
30:11:00
inventors can go whether their meetings
30:14:00
I know that you mentioned local meeting
30:16:00
clubs but are are there shows I hear all
30:18:00
the time about shows and a hardware show
30:20:00
and you go here there's some that are
30:22:00
more beneficial that they should go to
30:24:00
learn or others or even books that you
30:26:00
would think sure well first of all yes
30:28:00
there are inventor clubs all throughout
30:30:00
the country in almost all the major
30:33:00
metropolitan areas in Florida for
30:35:00
instance there's several cool ones Tampa
30:38:00
has a great club there's a really good
30:39:00
one in southern Florida outside of my
30:41:00
Miami that works at a West Palm it's
30:45:00
really good there's one in orlando and
30:47:00
jacksonville so but we have these
30:49:00
repeated around the country soap so
30:50:00
Google your local and mentor club and a
30:53:00
lot of a meat like every Tuesday night
30:54:00
seven to nine you know
30:56:00
a lot of them go out to dinner
30:58:00
afterwards the great experience just
30:59:00
even to go to go to one a lot of them
31:01:00
have speakers so that that would be you
31:05:00
know that that would be a place that
31:06:00
people could get started at least
31:08:00
learning as far as trade shows that's
31:10:00
something that you a is big-time the
31:12:00
United men Association is into big time
31:14:00
so there were a couple of national and
31:17:00
men are shows that used to exist it no
31:19:00
longer exists there was one called
31:20:00
Yankee Expo and Connecticut one called
31:24:00
the Minnesota and Menace Congress
31:25:00
Redwood Falls the problem is is
31:28:00
attracting innovators and companies from
31:30:00
all over the country into a one location
31:32:00
didn't really work there is still
31:34:00
impacts today index is owned by mental
31:37:00
so that helps able to subsidize that
31:40:00
with your other prophets I'm sure that
31:42:00
it's a good thing for the industry but
31:44:00
it's probably costly so what we saw
31:49:00
years ago when i first got men in the
31:50:00
way we identified list rather than have
31:52:00
one national show let's go to each
31:55:00
industry and set up these little
31:56:00
pavilions and shows at the industry so
31:58:00
we started with the hardware show which
32:00:00
is coming up on May 9th 10th and 11th by
32:02:00
the way in Las Vegas if any of your
32:04:00
listeners are hardware people it's
32:05:00
really worth coming through and so we
32:08:00
set up in conjunction with Reed Expo who
32:11:00
runs the show pavilion they are now 150
32:14:00
in vendor booths at the ability of all
32:16:00
startups and then degrading the three
32:18:00
days we have a stage in the whole area
32:20:00
where we do educational series i'll be
32:23:00
speaking there we have a lot of other
32:24:00
great speakers and then in our mix with
32:26:00
that will be pitch panels we have Home
32:28:00
Shopping Network you make maker program
32:30:00
the American maker program in Marc
32:32:00
portney and his buddies coming out to do
32:35:00
for our pitch panel we have last year we
32:38:00
had the grommet we've had QVC in the
32:40:00
past we've had so it's a combination of
32:43:00
pitching education very worthwhile we
32:46:00
also do that at the PGA golf show huh we
32:49:00
do it at response expo into our TV show
32:51:00
we were very involved in the house
32:53:00
worship for many years but they took
32:55:00
that program in the house but i will say
32:56:00
that they do a great job of running the
32:58:00
program that we set up so that the house
33:00:00
where show is also a great show which we
33:01:00
just came off of a march mandate but
33:03:00
still speak there and we are in talks
33:06:00
with the Toy Fair and we do Chicago to a
33:09:00
game during the fall
33:10:00
we do what we do a whole bunch of these
33:11:00
shows so we try to bring the ax men our
33:14:00
platform and exposure to on the road
33:17:00
bring them out into the people right wow
33:20:00
it just seems like there's such a wealth
33:22:00
of information out there and people like
33:25:00
yourselves and all the people at the oil
33:27:00
that are willing to help we just got to
33:30:00
get more people to contact you guys or
33:32:00
to do these things because educating the
33:34:00
inventor before they get started it's so
33:36:00
important yes yeah yeah no it's there's
33:39:00
a lot of great dedicated people all who
33:41:00
come on their own Don not only give
33:43:00
terribly to the organization but they've
33:45:00
come to all these events and if any of
33:47:00
your folks that are listening or all the
33:49:00
clubs and one speakers we have a speaker
33:51:00
program and so forth if really you know
33:53:00
the other thing I'm involved in and you
33:56:00
know because you get involved in one
33:57:00
thing after the next it's never ending
33:58:00
is got very involved in the National pro
34:01:00
bono patent attorney program and that
34:03:00
came out of my involvement dia so I so
34:06:00
in a lot of time in Washington so they
34:08:00
asked we have a seven-member Commission
34:10:00
and until up three years ago there was
34:12:00
no pro bono patent attorney program in
34:15:00
the united states there's pro bono law
34:17:00
for people who can't afford their own
34:20:00
legal work but never in patent now we
34:23:00
have when it set up in all 50 states
34:24:00
around the country we are now an
34:27:00
integral part of the of the PTL USPTO we
34:31:00
the people who are on this committee or
34:34:00
dedicated top-flight folks we have the
34:38:00
highest ranking federal court judge
34:40:00
jimmy raney who is he was on the short
34:44:00
list if hillary clinton had elected
34:47:00
president might have been nominated to
34:48:00
the Supreme Court and he's a backer of
34:53:00
our programs and so forth and we anyway
34:56:00
it's a who's who list of folks and all I
34:58:00
will say is that I'm in awe of the whole
35:01:00
thing and for I know the Chicago
35:04:00
inventors Club for instance Colin
35:06:00
flowers in his club which has about 1700
35:09:00
members of Chicago this month they're
35:10:00
doing theirs on pro bono anybody who
35:13:00
wants to hear about access to provoke
35:17:00
sit or listening to your podcast that
35:18:00
maybe can't afford to file for patent
35:20:00
they may qualify for the pro bono
35:22:00
wow that's that's amazing and I'm you
35:25:00
trying to cheat on that and and just
35:27:00
right here on the air I would love to
35:28:00
invite you back just to talk about the
35:31:00
patenting process it seems like it is
35:33:00
one of the most misunderstood but most
35:36:00
wanted thing for an inventor it seems
35:39:00
like everyone that they don't that
35:41:00
doesn't know they're talking about the
35:42:00
first thing they say is you need to get
35:43:00
a patent I mean it's like it's crazy so
35:45:00
so yeah that's one of the biggest things
35:47:00
and just giving that information I know
35:49:00
people's ears perked up yeah yeah well
35:51:00
let's let's do it we'll come back
35:53:00
another time and by the way the United
35:55:00
Menace Association originally started in
35:57:00
the early 1990s out of the US Patent
35:59:00
Office oh we have a unique connection
36:02:00
affiliation there and I want our current
36:04:00
executive director John Calvert was at
36:07:00
the Patent Office for over 25 years so
36:10:00
we are continually involved but almost
36:14:00
to what you were just saying though
36:16:00
patents are important and they are a
36:19:00
part of it but they're just one
36:20:00
component so we try to be much more than
36:23:00
just patents but but we do see the
36:27:00
strengthen it and patents are under
36:28:00
assault in this country a lot of a lot
36:32:00
of big companies would like to just take
36:33:00
your your idea and your technology and
36:35:00
not pay for it and we we stand for the
36:38:00
individuals and we believe individuals
36:41:00
make a difference no totally agree is
36:43:00
very super important didn't know that
36:44:00
but as you said a patent is just a tool
36:46:00
it's got to be used at the right time
36:48:00
along with the rest of the tools that's
36:50:00
right one hundred percent correct and
36:53:00
then doing it right that's another
36:54:00
reason to go to your local club there's
36:56:00
a lot of patent attorneys go there and
36:57:00
you know they're not all created equal
36:59:00
so we're good so we're not so you got to
37:01:00
find out dude I wouldn't say somewhere
37:03:00
not good I didn't mean that no no but
37:05:00
some are better than others or they fit
37:07:00
into your particular product or what
37:09:00
your situation good yeah not so I agree
37:12:00
with you did one hundred percent I'll
37:13:00
work with independence and some are
37:15:00
bigger just want to work with
37:16:00
corporations so a lot of times you're an
37:19:00
inventor you go to a patent attorney you
37:21:00
say I need a patent and he says okay you
37:24:00
know I mean he's not there not doing
37:26:00
anything wrong they're doing and they're
37:27:00
they're protecting your product because
37:30:00
you're asking them to so now i agree to
37:32:00
but the patent is one of the most
37:33:00
misunderstood and it seems like one of
37:35:00
the most
37:36:00
most important parts to give people
37:38:00
education on because it's one of the
37:41:00
most expensive it seems like an integral
37:43:00
to the development process so that it's
37:45:00
done in stages with your building that
37:47:00
prototype and learning along the way so
37:49:00
those two things are intertwined yeah
37:51:00
and as you see we can we could turn this
37:55:00
into a three hour I guess that's one
37:58:00
good therapy thanks for let me write one
38:01:00
of those kids you know the teacher asked
38:03:00
a question so so we all run a little bit
38:09:00
of time real quick question though I
38:12:00
know you have a family do they come with
38:14:00
you to you with ideas because i know
38:16:00
they happen to me or people in your
38:18:00
neighbors they always bring any ideas
38:20:00
well that's that's funny because I I
38:23:00
have been married 35 years and I have a
38:26:00
three daughters who are held we're 27
38:29:00
and I am by far the fifth smartest in
38:33:00
the family okay so they're all off the
38:35:00
charts so ever since the girls were
38:38:00
young I've learned a great deal from
38:40:00
them one's an attorney today and one's a
38:44:00
teacher and one works for timing in any
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event none of them wherever really
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tinker's although my youngest has a
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creative flair and likes design and
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interior design so that's as close to
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the gun but none of them are followed
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dad is a good sale yeah well we're
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through daughters I'm surprised you
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didn't design some kind of ways or
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fencing around your house well you know
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what I actually they they have
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boyfriends and I love them all so I just
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want him to have you know now that's my
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wife my wife is a super talented woman
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that worked for 35 years for People
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magazine so she's if she's a dynamo in
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her own right and so we were they we
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were we were a little ahead of our time
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probably a little older than you when
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when I was coming out of college the
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world was shifting and so we have this
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sort of more modern family were all well
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we're all our participants and all of my
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daughters are very empowered in the
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world and I will just say that
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I don't know if you have daughters or
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for those women in our listing that's a
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big thing that that and I don't mean
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that hopeless i hope people don't visit
39:56:00
the ropes we don't want inventor to just
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be old white guys you know we want we
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are always enamored when diversity takes
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place younger people come in women
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people of different backgrounds people
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from around the world because believe it
40:14:00
or not they share a lot more in common
40:15:00
with each other sometimes their friends
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and they have this common thing and
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inventors come in all shapes and sizes
40:22:00
and are up against the st. challenges
40:24:00
and I think there was a time maybe in
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America where only older people that had
40:29:00
resources it to pursue it so we're very
40:31:00
big and by the way women in particular
40:33:00
make tremendous inventors sometimes men
40:37:00
are really good with engineering and
40:41:00
details if you ask a man like you know
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why'd you build that model or he'll
40:48:00
start telling ya well its got three
40:50:00
horsepower and 100 revolutions a minute
40:53:00
and help give you all the technical
40:55:00
stuff a lot of times I mean and a woman
40:58:00
will say I designed it to make it easier
41:00:00
to mow the lawn you know women get the
41:02:00
benefit part of it and the benefits a
41:04:00
big part of this and sometimes i
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dedicate part of my speed to just adjust
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to that so so women bring in an angle
41:10:00
and a flair and an eye for stuff in
41:13:00
detail and a marketplace and consumer
41:15:00
part that's so valuable for what we're
41:17:00
doing so i would encourage people and
41:19:00
the other thing is that the housework
41:22:00
shows did you let me off the hook here
41:23:00
with people from Ireland I met with a
41:27:00
young men 21 year old engineer from
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India that it came with his mentor
41:32:00
teacher professor with them I mean with
41:34:00
people Philly from all over the world so
41:37:00
it doesn't matter who you are if you
41:39:00
have an active brain and inventing
41:41:00
please come and get back and and if
41:44:00
you're a maker which is the new sort of
41:46:00
the new younger inventors who now have
41:48:00
3d printers and do all that you know
41:52:00
learn a little bit from your inventor
41:54:00
forefathers and predecessors about
41:56:00
things to protect yourself and your
41:58:00
rights because
41:59:00
you need to do that but but also we try
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to go the uia now has blues with the
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Maker Faires in San Francisco and San
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Diego a new york and all that so
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everybody's welcome i know that i know
42:09:00
you want to end this but i just couldn't
42:10:00
help it go frozen no no this is great
42:13:00
stuff and again join the ua I we need
42:16:00
people to join we need to spread the
42:18:00
word on it is it's so important for
42:20:00
people to be informed and that you said
42:22:00
give back it's not just about learning
42:24:00
it's about giving back what you learn
42:25:00
absolutely absolutely thanks for what
42:28:00
you're doing Oh No thank you so much and
42:31:00
and again we have the the UI you AI our
42:35:00
website you a sui a united and vendors
42:38:00
association and the site is you IA USA
42:42:00
org great great and on there if they
42:46:00
wanted to contact you directly or should
42:48:00
they just fill out a form then contact
42:51:00
me there you can share my my my direct
42:54:00
email it's too www a yahoo com if
42:59:00
anybody writes me I'll send them back on
43:00:00
my websites they want to contact me
43:02:00
directly but yes you there is a bio of
43:06:00
all the board members on it and they can
43:07:00
they can reach out to anyone there's
43:09:00
some tremendous people on there they'll
43:12:00
see I know I missed a bunch of them but
43:13:00
there's plenty of people that can reach
43:15:00
out no no it's right a fantastic site
43:17:00
and again it's awesome what you guys are
43:19:00
doing it is just so great because it is
43:22:00
so important for people to be informed
43:24:00
there's no doubt about it we're going to
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wrap up I just want everybody know that
43:27:00
all the information that you talked
43:29:00
about all the websites all that
43:30:00
information will also be on our
43:31:00
inventors launchpad website on the show
43:34:00
notes so they don't want to stop their
43:35:00
car and write it down or or don't you
43:37:00
know don't worry about that will have it
43:39:00
also and oren i want to thank you so
43:42:00
much not only for everything you do for
43:43:00
inventors but for giving me some time
43:45:00
i'd be on the show today my pleasure and
43:48:00
i look forward to next time i'm in
43:50:00
clearwater i'll swing by and say hi oh
43:52:00
no you don't know that about it will be
43:54:00
seen you when you come out okay thank
43:56:00
you you take everybody by

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