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hi everyone and welcome to the inventors
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I am car mind danesco your host for
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today's show
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actually your co-host for today's show I
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love having help with these shows I do
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have one show with the vendors Launchpad
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but having the shows and having a
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co-host really helps out because we get
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to bring experts in in each different
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phase of the invention process the
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intellectual property process so today
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on go big go bold I have my co-host mr.
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JD Hoover hey JD over there hey carmine
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yeah thanks for putting this on man this
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is fantastic it's so good talking with
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you you know our conversations are just
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so nice and casual and we end up just
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firing away and going through you know
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you could talk for one a while you know
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IP is one of those areas that we both
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love it's it's it's inspiring to know
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that the government's built these rules
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that actually help enable inventors to
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bring their stuff to market so yeah it's
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a pleasure to be on the show no I love
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it man this is this is such a hot topic
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every time you and I start talking like
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you say we start talking about this time
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goes by so fast man you know you do it's
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funny we were talking before the show
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and and for all you listeners JD is
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starting to put together some quick
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informative quick yeah what would you
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call Mike snippet so JD like us it's
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actually gonna be a it's a daily we're
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doing it's a bold Today Show it's what
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it's called it's gonna be two or three
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minutes a day Monday through Friday
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we're gonna say because I give you as a
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break on weekends but it is it's gonna
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be a building some of them are
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sequential some of them are series you
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know one two or three days in a row and
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it's really simple it gives you a kind
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of a daily challenge something to think
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about as an entrepreneur inventor gives
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you either of fact a legal you know law
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and then an application and that's it we
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wrap up so different most objects here
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and they're just something to Kio at one
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day and come back and revisit the next
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day yeah and I love that kind of stuff I
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don't know if you like I have a daily
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ritual that I listen to some shows and I
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listen to things and it kind of gets me
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going in the morning and and I don't
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know if you do but that kind of that's
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the kind of stuff that that all of us
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need help with I mean we we all will
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have a good day
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and bad days and if you stay on that
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ritual stay on that I think those kind
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of shows help mm-hmm yeah I've got one I
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listen to Darren Hardy
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he has his Darrin Daly it's actually my
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inspiration for doing this just awesome
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stuff you know really high level
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business mentoring getting stuff done
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things you need to hear you've heard
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before but it's great to hear again you
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know it's just wonderful I don't think
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we're alone Carmen and there's a lot of
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people out there like us yeah I like to
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hear that
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plus plus it's learning too I mean
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having those little snippets man it's
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weird I love it man because it seems
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like you get to carry that information
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over I love learning our ebooks and
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podcasts and so much stuff and there's
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so much to it you know what you I don't
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know how you do it man there's so much
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that you got to keep up on I can't even
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I can't even imagine yeah well I mean
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it's it is quite a bit and it is one of
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those things you know we talked to us
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before when you get into a subject
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matter even as focused as patent law you
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realize how much you don't know even
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with as you dig deeper the further and
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further you go you realize wow there's
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so much more to reach for the more you
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look yeah no no I told ya I know that
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you're lining up some some guests on the
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show some of your clients some some
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inventors some things in that sense and
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will be you know for all you listeners
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will be will be putting those on in the
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coming weeks but for today what do you
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got for us what do you want to talk
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about yeah well today is you know I want
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to focus on patent searching it's you
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know perhaps the the least fun you know
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traditionally but I like to make it
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really important make sure people
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understand the value of it patent
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searching from all angles the two
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different kind of perspectives that
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attorneys will sometimes take and I'll
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give you that the perspective that I
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have and kind of walk everyone on the
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show through what are some things that
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you can do as inventor as an
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entrepreneur you know but before you you
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drop money and talk with an attorney and
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get prepared to bring your invention or
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case to an attorney and I want to bring
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up or you know the book I've got on our
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website so we've got bold ideas the
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inventors guide to patents again this
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book is still going for free I'll
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probably always give it away for free
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this content is on our website at bold
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IP comm bol D IP calm and I'm gonna skip
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way ahead you know it's on the very last
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chapter what this does it gives you
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tools actual websites to go to as an
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inventor to go you know to save some
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money perhaps you know that maybe some
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time both you and potentially the
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attorney to have have at least a bit of
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you know diligence done as you walk in
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the door you're gonna know more about
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competitive landscape here know more
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about your industry you know had exactly
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as close as you can how different your
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product or service is from those other
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offerings and those have been published
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so the first place to go yeah it's gonna
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be the search engines and Google has
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done a heck of a job if you go to Google
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patents you can just ran the Google the
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plain google.com type in patents and
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you'll you'll see there's an actual
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patent database within Google sort of a
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specialized database and there's even an
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advanced search option for once you kind
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of get the hang of the the patent search
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and what you'll do is you can put in
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keywords okay to start with very basic
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information that you think is you know
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the subject matter of your invention and
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began to look through some of those
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publications and patents and it's the
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difference between a publication and a
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patent is is that the applications that
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get submitted to the Patent Office and
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it could be even a foreign office those
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applications get published oftentimes
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well before they get issued even if they
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get stuck halfway and they get rejected
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it's still a publication okay and it's a
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formal no puts people on notice that
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you've got that people are inventing in
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this space so all the whole the whole
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written description all the drawings get
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published so it's kind of the roll the
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dice that inventors take and and when
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they do something when they do submit
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their applications is that it's gonna
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get published and and you've got to go
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for the issuance you know otherwise it's
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gonna become part of the public domain
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so really lights a fire - you know all
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directions
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you know it keeps keeps you know the
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incentive going you know why the
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government would
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tends to give you a monopoly you've got
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to be able to publish your invention and
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so you should be planning to you know
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move forward with the product or service
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into the market relatively quickly if
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that's your goal given that that
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timeframe so those are those are some
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things you'll see in on the Google
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search there's other back the book
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you'll see there's some the USPTO
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okay that's the United States Patent and
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Trademark Office USPTO govt and they've
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got a really good do-it-yourself website
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they have a nice set up I mean it's even
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it's way better for trademarks for pad
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that's okay they kind of walk you
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through some of the steps to take and
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they do give you the guidelines and some
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rules as far as what examiner's will be
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looking for I found that free patents
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online free patents online.com is a very
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good resource it's really fast
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unbelievably I actually use it when I go
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query for stuff sometimes over Google
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it's unbelievably fast and they it's a
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non-profit so they've gotten a lot of
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funding from all over the globe somehow
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to depower this amazing engine it's
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unreal how fast it will pull up your
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your query and they've always got PDF
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documents so I found that to be a really
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cool resource and then for international
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searching if you know for the more
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sophisticated inventor maybe someone's
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come from overseas the WIPO World
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Intellectual Property Organization is
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really the D worldwide focus for
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trademarks and patents and so they've
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got it what they call it patent lens at
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le and s dot org check that out you can
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do this similar type of searching and
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you'll get international documents
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coming up and their documents that the
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examiners will find and any good
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attorney doing a search will find you're
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gonna want to see that and look for
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anything that's ever been translated in
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English language that's all findable now
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beyond that if someone's really wanted
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to go for it I highly recommend doing
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what's called an on pad literature
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search as well and so that's just search
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engines right just regular Google you
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know Yahoo Bing YouTube know your
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industry know whatever you're innovating
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in because anything has ever been
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published even sold right without
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aside from seeking patent rights that
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act to prevent you from getting a patent
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so you've got to be able to know a lot
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me look at everything really is you know
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across the board formal applications and
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issue patents as well as this whole pool
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of non patent literature so that's you
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know what's possible for you to look at
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prior even before you go talk with a
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patent attorney today so JD yeah I mean
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that amount of information it's great
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because you know we're giving some we're
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giving people the ability to search when
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when they're searching on I agree with
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you Google Google patents is awesome I
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didn't know about the free patents comp
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site that's I didn't know powerful B
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patents online I think it's online okay
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pretty powerful oh yeah it just will be
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fast if you know the patent number you
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know the application number you'll get
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PDFs all the time Google actually you
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know sometimes they won't
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they don't have enough room or whatever
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they don't you can't find the PDF for
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the errors out I've seen that more often
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than I thought I you know thought I
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would but yeah the free patents online
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has been remarkably you know on point
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and every time has a PDF to download and
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read through so so what I'm doing a
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search and I and I totally agree with
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you recommending you know conduct as
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much search get as much information
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before you go see a patent attorney
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obviously not only for the time involved
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but also you don't have as much
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information as you can is there a way or
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is there a certain amount of keywords or
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you know a lot of people they just will
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type in you know the the name of their
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product but you know again they won't be
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searching correctly because it's just
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really do you search what your product
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does or should you search like the
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category what what's the best way to try
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to locate something that say I'm making
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right yeah well so um you know it's
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always kind of fun think of an example
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excuse me I'm something like a you know
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a pet toy you know me let this think of
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you know a smart pet toy there's a few
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those in the market but maybe you're in
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that space and you're you wanted to come
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up with a machine learning you know AI
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type pet toy and it's electronic and you
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think what you've done is sort of
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you've got this audible I'm just coming
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up with this on the flight but you've
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got this sort of audio reflex and it'll
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actually learn to speak with your animal
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I don't know so it's already got this
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thing where it moves around and plays
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with your cat while you're at work but
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now it actually will respond verbally
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you want to search on what you think is
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novel but you can start your search
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broadly so I don't know if we can do
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this but I can share my screen maybe and
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just kind of plug through some things
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with you yeah and that way we can folks
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can kind of see if they're looking at
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the video if we do publish this but I'll
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make sure to talk it through so I'm just
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going to the Google patents page here
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and you know the keyword would be you
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know animal play toy AI and I do long
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long string searches cuz you want to try
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to get as many keywords as you can
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oh really okay I you know and what else
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did they say
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audible okay back you know put it in and
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put a nice long long list here so ah so
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let's just take a look you know and it's
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you just to kind of look through some of
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these and what's coming up here for
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those that aren't on the video just
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looks like an application this is a
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publication from 2006 looks like this is
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on counterpart artificial intelligence
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software program so I I yeah as you're
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looking at that I would have thought to
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use less words but I can see now what
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you mean about putting in as met at this
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is such a broad search at first yeah
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well in and there's lots of ways to go
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about it and you know the program here
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today is not quite long enough to go
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through what attorneys do yeah you know
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the whole goal is I'm sort of putting
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myself in the shoes of a non-attorney
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inventor that just kind of wants to get
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a sense for what's out there
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and and you know you can talk all day
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long but bottom line is you want to make
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sure your invention what's new you're
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trying to make sure nothing is exactly
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like yours and so I would recommend
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putting in precisely what it is that you
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think you've invented and how yours is
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differ
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to make sure that it's not already out
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there that's really the whole core of
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this first level of searching as a as a
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lay person isn't there require reading
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you know and so this is software right
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it may not be particularly on point but
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you're gonna have to read through the
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whole disclosure one nice thing about
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the Patent Office this is a really long
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one you can see you're on video my
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goodness what's nice is they have these
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citations and so what's cool is they
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have related applications so if this
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particular publication was cited okay so
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they cite similar applications this one
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is a motion control system motion
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control method and motion control
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program partitioned artificial
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intelligence for networked games a lot
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of different things to look at here that
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are related citations and if you're not
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familiar with this it's easy to get lost
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yeah but it certainly is a great way to
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get started
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and I think for that layperson I would
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recommend putting that full long tail
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search for particularly what you're
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looking for and just do things like
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control-f you know try to find you know
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sound you know the word sound and try to
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read that paragraph okay and see if
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that's something that sounds like what
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sort of functionality you're looking at
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inventing so there's 23 instance of the
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word sound in this amazingly long
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application and you could try audio is
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there as you're looking as you're doing
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that in certain sections of the document
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that you'd that that inventor should be
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more concerned with or I mean with
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obviously and when we're looking to see
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if it's novel the whole thing is
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applicable
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okay it's when you're looking for things
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you know such as infringement you do
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want to focus just on the claims that's
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a kind of a different thing maybe what
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you're thinking of but when it comes
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into publication it's the whole thing
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whatever is been published you got to be
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aware of because that's gonna
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potentially impact whether yours is now
15:30
long now so that was just one way to go
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about that that kind of
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demonstrate that's awesome yeah and to
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me it's it's it's so crazy because as
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soon as I start reading those things I'm
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like oh my god this thing is so long
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right they're doing it the way that you
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did it to do some keyword searches and
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it mayn't no reason to read through it
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all because I mean it is there's nothing
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in there so I mean you really got a
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narrow it down quickly right yeah yeah I
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mean and and you know almost what would
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I do when I go through this with my
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clients or folks that I present to well
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I don't intend for it to turn out that
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way it ends up kind of being like oh my
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gosh I don't know what I'm doing and
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that's kind of what I want because I do
16:13
want them to realize that to do this
16:15
right you should hire a professional to
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go through it to make sure that what you
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have is new so if we got some time I
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want to go over kind of the two big
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philosophies you know if you go talk
16:26
with a patent attorney you'll hear one
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of two things and I'll talk about the
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first way which is not the way our firm
16:33
handles it and not the way I believe in
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it but I know there are attorneys out
16:36
there that feel strongly this way they
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actually there's a whole philosophy to
16:43
not conduct a search at all and to just
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basically write the application Wow just
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just get in there and just write it and
16:56
submit it you know hey I believe you
16:59
know in their reasoning their rationale
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is that sort of in this because when you
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submit an application a full utility app
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you must submit along with that an
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information disclosure sheet an IDs and
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that has to detail all of the references
17:16
that you've found related okay so it's
17:20
sort of this effort to kind of minimize
17:21
your knowledge in the area I feel like
17:26
it's a game I mean I know it's easy to
17:28
jump in and attack that method I guess I
17:30
could ice before I criticized it I
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should just say it I kind of get that
17:34
thought but I feel like it it disturbs
17:38
the the client you know so I'll give you
17:40
our perspective which is that you know
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if I'm the client before I spend you
17:45
know tens of thousands of dollars in an
17:46
app
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and before I build my expectations and
17:50
start building a business I need to know
17:51
that what I have is or it is not
17:54
patentable and I just I wouldn't feel
17:57
right you know being alongside inventor
18:00
filing an application sort of in the
18:02
blind and just hoping that the examiner
18:05
maybe misses it or you know because
18:07
caught off guard and so always being a
18:09
buckboard making sure it totally
18:10
understand the whole industry turning
18:12
over every rock that's the way we work
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but you will hear that that first
18:17
philosophy come up and I still hear
18:20
coming up and sometimes folks that are
18:22
just looking to engage with us have said
18:24
that they're you know the previous
18:25
attorney they met with told them that
18:28
searches are bigger fool you know don't
18:30
don't do that and you know since this
18:33
this concept of you know you know
18:37
playing the game and maybe just knowing
18:39
less and having to disclose less and I
18:43
just can't see much more other rationale
18:45
than that so it's my strong opinion that
18:50
a search should be performed and and not
18:53
a cheap one right there are lots of
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different forms of getting searches done
18:58
we've actually developed you know
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internally some really interesting
19:03
little methods and how to explain you
19:07
know the different types of of search
19:09
methods that people can get and we just
19:13
a second here and I can pull it out of
19:14
this will refresh my memory yeah I would
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agree I mean as you're looking for that
19:21
just to throw a my two cents and I
19:22
wouldn't want to go into something like
19:26
that blind if I was gonna spend a huge
19:27
amount of time and resources and there's
19:29
obviously something out there that's
19:31
going to come back and bite me
19:33
exactly yeah totally and you know I can
19:36
I can I can share this with you for
19:38
anybody that's gonna join a video later
19:41
so this this kind of goes through our
19:45
options here so simple come in and say
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look why do I need to search at all and
19:51
and so we kind of walk them through some
19:53
of the issues and does your vision have
19:55
the requirements for patenting and if
19:57
you don't do a search you won't know
19:59
right it's a big risk if you don't do a
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search at all
20:01
how strongly will your application be
20:03
will be Friday week because you'll have
20:05
to write about everything if you don't
20:08
do a search you'll have to describe
20:09
every little piece and part of your
20:10
invention because you don't really know
20:12
what parts are new oh I see and and your
20:16
time you know it's it's high-risk
20:18
because you're probably missing prior
20:20
art you could be wasting your time money
20:23
if you did you know when you spend money
20:25
on application and all the fees and
20:27
attorney stuff that could be money
20:29
wasted there's no legal analysis no
20:31
legal opinion or consulting you know
20:35
then there's optional course are doing
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it yourself and I've given some good
20:38
suggestions to do that I think it's a
20:39
great place to start but if you only do
20:42
it on your own you're looking at that
20:44
huge document you're kind of like oh my
20:46
gosh you know those citations what are
20:47
these and the results are unclear you
20:51
know what if you do a search on your own
20:52
really because they're partial and
20:54
likely not thorough
20:55
the LAT strength of your application
20:57
will be pretty weak and and your time
21:00
you spent searching and getting lost and
21:02
all this material outside of your
21:04
wheelhouse that could be time was spent
21:06
working on your business or on your
21:08
invention so that's sort of the time
21:09
perspective your money you know whether
21:12
it's spent on an application and fees
21:14
again is likely could be a waste because
21:17
you it's very unclear whether there's
21:18
actually any novelty I call it the
21:21
LegalZoom search right and sort of this
21:23
cheap online search certainly has its
21:26
place you just we all make sure we
21:28
explain to people what they get what
21:30
they don't get I'll start at the bottom
21:32
this time that you know almost every
21:34
case there's no legal opinion okay you
21:36
get this hard bound look maybe sometimes
21:39
as virtual but there's no legal opinion
21:42
on whether you should file or not and
21:43
whether you actually have a patentable
21:45
invention you just got this huge list of
21:47
references and you're kind of like okay
21:49
and so that money could be seen as
21:51
potentially a waste because now you've
21:52
got to go spend time digging through and
21:55
making your own assessment right spend
21:57
time reading it could be work on it
21:59
should be spent on the business or on
22:01
your invention it will be still week and
22:05
as far as your application goes because
22:06
you won't know what areas of novelty
22:08
still well you might have some relevancy
22:10
you might see one priority that's
22:12
exactly on point
22:14
there still could be some other aspects
22:16
that are undetermined mm-hmm
22:18
and of course the end you know the the
22:19
really only option that we suggest is
22:21
having a patent attorney do the search
22:22
you're gonna know whether you're whether
22:25
you meet or don't meet the requirements
22:27
for patenting you're gonna have a strong
22:30
patent application because all of a
22:31
sudden we're gonna go to focus the
22:32
application writing and drawings on
22:35
exactly what we found to be novel based
22:37
in the search your time is going to be
22:40
spent instead of doing all the work that
22:41
you're not familiar with in doing work
22:43
you love and that's building your
22:45
invention and doing all the testing and
22:47
getting it to market your money will be
22:49
invested right doing the right thing
22:51
hire an expert to do the work and now it
22:54
does finally include a legal analysis
22:55
and an opinion with a full access to
22:58
your patent attorney so Sauternes put
23:00
together it does help people understand
23:02
okay Wow maybe I don't need to waste you
23:04
know my time and really and I need to
23:06
instead invest this time in this this
23:08
effort well yeah to me there's so much
23:15
worry there's so much unknown for an
23:18
inventor this is one thing that you guys
23:21
can do to take that away I mean there's
23:23
so much other things for an event to
23:24
worry about and product worried about
23:26
the patent side is so important that say
23:30
you do it yourself I mean over two years
23:33
three years there five years you're
23:34
worried wondering filling out forms
23:37
spending more money the whole time
23:39
wondering if you're gonna get this
23:40
through where is having you guys do that
23:42
you're taking it off the plate and you
23:44
know it's being done the correct way
23:46
absolutely absolutely yeah so you wait
23:49
for that again and again and it's a big
23:51
relief they can go spend time doing
23:53
things they enjoy you know and and and
23:56
other another big reason of having us do
23:59
it is you know they get the the answers
24:02:00
go they sometimes the hard truth about
24:05:00
whether how much difference there is in
24:07:00
the market and you know depends on the
24:10:00
individual but sometimes sometimes that
24:12:00
a lot of fire under them and they'll go
24:14:00
innovate and create and find a way to
24:15:00
design around you know if we tell them
24:17:00
that you know gosh there's so much also
24:20:00
out there like it we don't recommend
24:21:00
filing okay they'll find a way you know
24:24:00
and just hearing that kind of gets them
24:26:00
going again instead of pumping up full
24:28:00
sunshine you know sort of you know
24:29:00
faking it and filing will give them the
24:31:00
real information and it builds a lot of
24:34:00
trust with our clients because they know
24:37:00
we're telling them exactly as it is sort
24:41:00
of detailed search yeah well you know it
24:43:00
I'm looking at it whereas if you find
24:46:00
something that is kind of a say exactly
24:48:00
like the inventor it gives them the
24:50:00
ability to modify or pivot or change and
24:54:00
knowing they can file whereas you just
24:56:00
went and filed like you said without
24:57:00
searching it doesn't give you that
24:59:00
ability no yeah you're gonna find out
25:01:00
later in the game and you're probably go
25:02:00
spent lots of time and money on it
25:04:00
so that's why I'm very much opposed to
25:05:00
that like I said that first philosophy
25:08:00
and I think I think it is a minority but
25:11:00
it's out there so I would just caution
25:12:00
it betters from getting caught up in
25:15:00
following that advice yeah yeah no I I
25:18:00
totally agree and you know the thing
25:20:00
about it is is we live this every day
25:21:00
you do so it's not like you're trying
25:23:00
you're not trying to steer somebody the
25:25:00
wrong way cuz you're there man yeah it's
25:27:00
not like you know you're gonna this is a
25:29:00
fly-by-night outfit you're gonna try to
25:30:00
give the best recommendations the best
25:33:00
information possible because want them
25:36:00
to succeed because you know what's the
25:38:00
sense of not wanting them to is there's
25:40:00
no reason for it absolutely yeah and a
25:43:00
high quality search like this and doing
25:44:00
it right you'll be able to explore other
25:47:00
inventions down the road we use that as
25:49:00
the basis doing a more refined search
25:53:00
later and innovating and come up with
25:55:00
multiple inventions right filing
25:57:00
continuation applications a lot of power
25:59:00
and having that knowledge but it does
26:02:00
take time it does you know take some
26:03:00
some money to get get that rolling yeah
26:05:00
well this is you know again we're what
26:07:00
kind of as usual running out of time I
26:09:00
can't believe we're gonna time but to me
26:12:00
this is the foundation of everything and
26:15:00
you know taking that worry taking that
26:17:00
unsecured it's because you go to a
26:19:00
retailer you go to online you go to
26:21:00
license whatever it is the first
26:22:00
question they're gonna ask you is you
26:25:00
have any IP on this so where are we
26:27:00
taking that unanswerable 'ti about his
26:30:00
is this so important
26:31:00
awesome yeah thanks carmine that's been
26:34:00
good I know time flies man I appreciate
26:36:00
this and thank you for plugging that
26:38:00
bold today's show I'm hoping to get that
26:39:00
going
26:40:00
within the next couple days so I'm
26:41:00
excited
26:42:00
that day at the air and this go big go
26:44:00
bold podcast is then you know will be a
26:46:00
great you know bi-weekly publishing and
26:49:00
I'm excited to keep this these long
26:51:00
programs going looking at my schedule
26:52:00
here we do have Phil Martino coming on
26:55:00
next show he's an inventor of the zip
26:57:00
jewel so hopefully we can feature his
26:59:00
invention get get some shots but man to
27:02:00
get his interpretation because then
27:03:00
guess what a lot of what you guys
27:04:00
listening you're interested in hearing
27:06:00
about you know you can tell you hear an
27:07:00
attorney blabber all day but it's kind
27:09:00
of fun to hear and inventor like
27:10:00
yourself you know tell the story so I
27:13:00
hope you feel can be on next next week
27:15:00
with us yeah and I agree I mean it's
27:17:00
nice to bring people in that that other
27:19:00
you know inventors can relate with you
27:21:00
know you and I are talking about you
27:23:00
know making sure that it's done
27:24:00
correctly but in word but bringing an
27:26:00
inventor on to put all those pieces
27:28:00
together a puzzle so again thanks so
27:30:00
much for sure any of us I wasn't there
27:32:00
want to learn more about JD in his
27:34:00
business bold IP dot-com gone out there
27:37:00
check out his website it's awesome by
27:39:00
the way get his book
27:41:00
fill out the form get his book cuz he I
27:42:00
mean he's giving it away it's awesome
27:44:00
man I that's really cool
27:47:00
and also if you have I have other
27:48:00
questions for myself go out to inventors
27:50:00
launchpad comm go on out to Google Play
27:52:00
or iTunes please leave us a review a
27:55:00
rating an honest review will help both
27:58:00
JD and myself do a better job for you
28:00:00
you know giving us your information
28:02:00
giving us your feedback really helps so
28:03:00
for my buddy JD for me carmine I thank
28:07:00
you for listening and we'll catch you
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next time on go big
28:10:00
Gobbo take care

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