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0:00you 0:01hi everyone and welcome to inventors 0:04launchpad roadmap to success I am Carmen 0:08Dennis co your host for today's episode 0:10and today we have a guest who has given 0:16over I mean 11 12 13 years to the 0:20inventor industry he is the president of 0:23the Tampa Bay inventors Council he's an 0:26inventor himself and also you know in 0:29the real life in the real day he is a 0:32broadcast director we'll get into that a 0:34little bit and he can explain what that 0:35means as we progress through our talk 0:39today his name is Wayne 0:41resonant and I believe he is on the line 0:43now hey Wayne are you over there I'm 0:45right here nice to see you hey Wayne 0:47how's it going out there man how you 0:49survived the holiday yeah absolutely 0:52you know avoided blowing up anything so 0:55my hands are still intact you know I 0:59learned that at an early age when 1:01firecrackers go off in your hand it 1:03hurts so uh yeah tend to avoid doing 1:06that anymore yeah for any of you 1:08listeners we are recording this podcast 1:13a day after July 4th 2017 so we were 1:17just talking a little bit about the 1:18holiday we just got off a long weekend 1:20and Wayne and I were talking a little 1:23bit before before we started the 1:24interview Wayne is the president of in 1:27impended Inc which is his I think it 1:30probably a company based around his 1:33invention and also as I said earlier he 1:36is the president of the Tampa Bay 1:38inventors Council way before we get into 1:42that you are a you're a Florida resident 1:44I would do I think I read that of on 1:47your resume you sent over to me well 1:49yeah I've been been here for a majority 1:52of my life so I originally from New York 1:56so you can tell from my New York accent 1:58but oh you re always an inventor or you 2:03always like taking things apart and 2:04breaking them as that like me when I was 2:05a kid always curious always you know my 2:09dad was really mr. Fixit and he would he 2:13would take apart TVs 2:17dishwashers and when we would go on 2:19vacation and whenever we would get to 2:22you know relatives or friends house or 2:24something like that my dad you know one 2:26of his first questions is alright what's 2:27not working and and he men him in the 2:31you know typically the other dad would 2:33would go into the garage or go into the 2:35and they would open it up and fix it 2:38you know he was he was just that kind of 2:41guy and he always wanted to help people 2:44out you know did it for the love of 2:48helping people and you know I think that 2:51they kind of spread I love I love being 2:54able to tweak things and fix things and 2:57help people too so great yeah it's kind 2:59of a kind of a lost art I mean as people 3:02they seem to more specialized in certain 3:04things now you know people still come to 3:06your home and fix things but as you said 3:08as you're talking about that it's kind 3:10of a lost art to be that handyman 3:12all-around guy this coming to fix 3:14everything which you know it is still 3:16needed but I don't think that those guys 3:18are out there anymore I replaced my 3:20first car engine when I was 17 so you 3:23know learned a lot from dad and you know 3:26it was nice having the tools and that 3:28kind of stuff to not not that we had 3:30money but you know we were able to put 3:34together what we did you know and then 3:36he got into the electronics all the 3:41components and stuff like that and that 3:42was that was more of my brother's forte 3:44my brother got more into that I didn't 3:47didn't dive into the electronics as much 3:49yeah well I mean cars electronics a you 3:53know obviously the car has some 3:55electronic but back then you know yeah 3:56as old as me there wasn't too many 3:59electronics in those vehicles that pull 4:01apart oh so that's good so now you're 4:05living in Florida you're living in the 4:06Sunshine State I'm glad I also moved 4:10into Florida you know back in 2000 area 4:14vicinity and I just love the warm 4:17weather it's just glad to be down here 4:19in the Tampa Bay area now you are the 4:23the president of Tampa Bay inventors 4:24Council which i think is one of the 4:27longest 4:29running inventors councils or inventors 4:33groups probably in the country that 4:35correct 4:35well I'm sure there are some that if you 4:39know can claim that they've been around 4:40longer I think that we could probably if 4:44we wanted to really put a stake in the 4:46ground we can say we've probably held 4:47more meetings than most other inventor 4:50groups because during the course of our 4:53almost 34 years we hold meetings twice a 4:57month most most groups only meet once a 5:00month so if we really want to put a 5:02stake in the ground we can say well 5:03we've probably held more inventor 5:04meetings than than any of the other 5:06groups but yeah other than December 5:11November and December we only hold one 5:12meeting on those dates because of the 5:14holiday obviously but 22 meetings a year 5:17for 30 33 and a half years yeah I think 5:22we've would probably probably topped out 5:27quite a bit on that yeah well you know 5:29you've been at the helm for almost half 5:31of the amount of time it's been in 5:32existence which is awesome I mean being 5:34able to donate your time your experience 5:37your knowledge to help inventors which 5:40we you know inventors I'm an inventor 5:41you're an inventor we all need help 5:43there what about it and having that go 5:45to groups is is phenomenal you you have 5:48any people that connect remotely or that 5:52you know that you they have to come to 5:54the meeting live well it's funny it's 5:57funny she should ask one of a one of our 6:01newer members who's actually a product 6:04developer he's been he's been out of 6:09town for the last couple of meetings and 6:11so I've been using my phone to go on 6:13skype or just you know connect through 6:16the phone so that he can listen in 6:18so really haven't done a whole lot of 6:21the remote meeting stuff but I think 6:24it's it's probably coming we really want 6:27to get members to come to the meetings 6:29and we share things kind of exclusively 6:32at the meetings I do a an opportunity 6:35list and if you are a paid member if 6:38you're a you know in good standing will 6:42email it 6:43so you don't have to come but anybody 6:45that comes to the the meeting you know 6:47they've got access to it they can they 6:49can read it and take pictures or 6:51whatever and and they've got the links 6:54to engage in all the contests and stuff 6:57that the that we find going around on 6:59around that that can help inventors 7:01blast oh it's that yeah and and we'll 7:04talk about this later we were talking 7:05earlier about the technology and how it 7:07has advanced in all different industries 7:09obviously so yeah people that want to 7:12join an invention group now and if 7:14you're not in the Tampa Bay area find a 7:17group that's close to you I would 7:19definitely recommend if you are in 7:21first-time inventor or new inventor seek 7:23out some help from an inventors group 7:26and counsel or somebody in your area 7:28there are a lot of them probably spread 7:30out throughout the United States 7:31absolutely I was there were more but and 7:35also there's probably throughout the 7:36world and wait you get people who are 7:41and I don't even like use word kind of 7:43fearful to approach an invention group 7:45as because they have an idea they don't 7:47really want to tell too many people 7:49about it or or how do they get there and 7:51if they are fearful and and how do you 7:53make them feel comfortable with joining 7:55the group well you know that absolutely 7:59we we definitely get people that are 8:02concerned about revealing what they've 8:05got and and we we don't press anybody to 8:08tell us what they're what they're 8:09working on or what they're doing and 8:10quite frankly we tell them right at the 8:13at the beginning of the meeting that 8:15this is a public forum if you disclose 8:19your invention here that would that 8:23would technically start the clock and 8:25you would have to have your invention 8:29filed within one year of any kind of 8:32public disclosure so we we don't we 8:36don't press people to tell us what 8:39they're they're working on or give us 8:40any details on it so it's completely 8:43open to you know if you want to share if 8:47you've got some kind of formal 8:48protection if you want somebody to sign 8:51a nondisclosure agreement you know that 8:54can be done afterward or something 8:56but if you haven't happy if you haven't 9:00filed a for provisional patent 9:02application or or filed for the patent 9:05in full then you know we advise people 9:08to keep their secret sauce secret 9:11because once upon a time we were a 9:16nation of first-to-file I mean first to 9:20invent and now we've become first to 9:23file so it's a lot easier for for 9:28inventors to get ripped off and not have 9:30any recourse the you know we're we're 9:35pretty active and concerned about some 9:37of the patent laws that have transpired 9:40and we try to get our our members 9:43informed about what what's going on and 9:45and you know we want them to be active 9:47in addressing some of the litigation 9:51that's going on in Congress and talk to 9:53other senators and talk to the 9:54congressman and make sure that we don't 9:57take what was the spark of genius in the 10:02United States the thing that made this 10:04country great for over 200 years and 10:07flush it down the toilet just so that we 10:09can be just like all the other countries 10:11you know that that spark that that gave 10:15the individual the right to profit you 10:19know was unheard of in the world prior 10:21to that it was you know you came up with 10:24a great idea and the king would say okay 10:25well duke henry is going to going to 10:27build that and you know thank you very 10:29much and go away or I'll cut your head 10:32off and so giving that into viven 10:36individuals that ability to profit from 10:39their ideas has been huge in the United 10:42States and that's that's why we've 10:44become the the innovative world country 10:46that we have and unfortunately some of 10:49the litigation the American Invents Act 10:52a lot of a lot of patents are getting 10:56overturned and some of them are getting 10:59overturned strictly by a judge you know 11:03one judge without any formal review 11:05without any any argument will just look 11:07at it and say man I don't think that 11:09she's gotten a patent 11:10that's wrong and so we're you know we're 11:13doing what we can to help support 11:16organization you know that that 11:20addressed those situations and try to 11:21correct it yeah and this is that your 11:24your explanation and what you just 11:26talked about is exactly why people who 11:29have an idea having invention should 11:30seek out a club such as yours because 11:34that little bit of information which is 11:36all which is huge I mean you could have 11:38I know that you could talk for two hours 11:40just on that because it is so important 11:43it's what is it one of the things and 11:45one of the reasons why people even 11:47outside this country want to come here 11:49or wanted to come here and and get a 11:51patent here because it was so important 11:53it it was worth something and these laws 11:57are being changed real quick and without 11:59the innovators out the inventors real 12:02interests in mind it seems like so it's 12:06important that that inventors that 12:08innovators seek out help as we always 12:11talk about on the show no one does 12:12anything which is truly important by by 12:16themselves they need help they need a 12:18team behind and they need people to help 12:20and I'm really glad that you guys are 12:22around I know that we've come to some of 12:24your meetings a lot of our clients that 12:26come to us have been to your meetings 12:28they are the right way to do things I 12:31make mistakes everyone makes mistakes I 12:34don't like word but you learn from them 12:36because you have something like yourself 12:37and I really applaud what you guys have 12:39been doing especially for the time that 12:41you've been doing it Thanks yeah you 12:44know and I think it was a it was either 12:48Bill Gates or Google said that they're 12:50not really worried about the next thing 12:53from Samsung or or any of the 12:55competition they're worried about what's 12:57taking place in individual garages 12:59around the world that's that's the 13:02innovations that change the world that 13:05upset the balance and and that's that's 13:08why companies like Google and Intel and 13:12you know all the big big corporations 13:16are a real 13:18kind of pressing for the the litigation 13:20that that prevents the individual from 13:23from coming up and being successful so 13:26it's a little disheartening but you know 13:29they they climb to the top and they want 13:32to pull up the ladder you know and so 13:35we're we want we want to make sure that 13:38the little guys got a chance to to get 13:40on board yeah absolutely we're all 13:42little guys when we're starting out and 13:44said it's having people like yourselves 13:47being able to get that information out 13:49to the masses I know that you were just 13:51um you just spoke in the Tampa Bay area 13:55at ignite was that something that is 13:57related to innovation or invention 14:00well ignite is a really kind of cool 14:02organization something I went to first 14:06started up I embraced and I did the 14:10first videos for them and you know 14:12really wanted to encourage it 14:14ignite is passionate speakers talking 14:18about you know whatever it is that makes 14:20them passionate it could be any topic 14:23from from mental health to science to 14:25you know astrology to you know whatever 14:29you know whatever it is that really kind 14:32of irks you and the way the presentation 14:35works is you have five minutes you get 14:3920 PowerPoint slides that auto-advance 14:42every 15 seconds and so there's a slide 14:46that's up before your presentation and 14:49then your your slides come up you do 14:52your five minutes and then two slides 14:54have come up after you're done and then 14:57then then the next presentation starts 14:59so it's just rapid-fire we did this last 15:03Thursday and so we had 21 speakers you 15:10know with a half an hour intermission in 15:13between but the wonderful event really 15:16really great really positive stuff and 15:19some some really heady discussions going 15:25on to my presentation was talking about 15:29building a Hyperloop 15:31from Tampa to Orlando you're not 15:34familiar with the Hyperloop it's 15:35essentially a tube system kind of a 15:39pneumatic tube like you see at the bank 15:41or on Futurama or the Jetsons if you're 15:46if you're as old as me but this is more 15:51of a vehicle traveling in a tube and my 15:55presentation was talking about doing a 15:57Hyperloop using renewable resources 16:00green energy and the power of falling 16:04water - to help generate the electricity 16:06create the pressure and and you know 16:10utilizing different aspects of that and 16:13so after after I did the ignite 16:16presentation I you know it's an idea 16:19that I want I don't want to keep to 16:20myself so I submitted it to the create 16:22the future contest that's that's also 16:25going on I've submitted three other 16:30times I've made the top 100 once before 16:32for my keyboard but you know it's it's 16:39the idea of if the idea has merit then 16:42let's get it out there and let's let 16:44other people toy with the idea and make 16:48use of it see if see if we develop 16:51something it's pretty interesting that's 16:53one thing that I have noticed in the 16:56last several years in the invention 16:58industry is that a good number of them 17:00are about renewable energy or some type 17:03of energy device not only from this 17:06country we get submissions of inventions 17:08from all over the world 17:10don't forget perpetual energy exactly 17:13and and you know it just seems to me 17:16that you know the mind shift is changing 17:18I was wondering if you see that at the 17:22council and obviously I know that you're 17:23you help inventors personally but if you 17:26see that where a lot of people are 17:28looking to really help the world um I 17:32think that that's probably been going on 17:35since uh Benjamin Franklin you know did 17:38the Franklin stove they've always been 17:40inventors that that do what they do 17:43because they want to benefit 17:45the world so I don't know that there's 17:48you know a tremendous shift but yeah 17:53there there is an altruistic aspect to 17:56inventing some people invent you know 17:58because they want to retire some people 18:00invent because you know they want to 18:02make the the world a better place and 18:04and some people invent because you know 18:06it puts them in the garage and away from 18:09their spouse you're giving away to be so 18:16yeah people invent for all sorts of 18:18different reasons and a lot of them 18:21don't go anywhere you know the the 18:25phrases first first they ignore you then 18:29they mock you and then they attack you 18:33and then you win and there are a lot of 18:36lot of inventors that you know they 18:38don't like being ignored and that that's 18:40when they quit you know or when they get 18:43mocked that's that's when they quit or 18:44when they're attacked they say you know 18:47hands up but I quit it's it's the 18:50inventors that that face the outrageous 18:53slings and arrows of outrageous fortune 18:56that persevere and you know hopefully 19:01have some semblance of success at the 19:05end of the end of the road nothing's 19:07guaranteed you know and you know one of 19:10the things I I tell our inventors that 19:13you know if you're if you're coming in 19:15this just to make money just to be 19:18successful you know there are a lot of 19:22easier ways to make money and a lot more 19:25Shore ways of being successful so if 19:28you're if you're going to get into the 19:29invention game do it because you want to 19:31enjoy the ride and it's a hell of a ride 19:33so it's it's a lot of fun and you'll 19:36need a lot of people you'll do a lot of 19:38things you'll just see a lot of stuff so 19:41inventing is terrific 19:42you know but you know you got to be 19:46there for the ride you know it don't 19:48don't be looking at the horizon the 19:50whole time you know enjoy the view that 19:52you're at now so I agree and I want to 19:56get into your invention which i think is 19:57super cool in a couple minutes 19:59which is I think it's amazing add we're 20:02talking about this do you see a specific 20:07type of thing or items or maybe multiple 20:09that our roadblocks for inventors that 20:11as they come up with their inventions 20:15that are moving through phases is there 20:18something that is the largest issue that 20:21they run into and if so are there ways 20:24to that that you have learned to maybe 20:27help our listeners to get around that 20:30that largest hurdle uh well you know of 20:34course largest hurdle would have to be 20:37financing you know most most people 20:40don't have the money to to build 20:42prototypes to you know to follow suit 20:45and and develop those the kind of stuff 20:47that that they imagine you know they're 20:52the whole angel investor idea friends 20:57and families and fools 20:59one way to get money but you know nobody 21:03wants to alienate all of their their 21:05family members and not being invited to 21:08Thanksgiving ever again so it's a lot of 21:14it is uh 21:14you know looking for the angel investor 21:17that that's really kind of moved on the 21:19the venture capitalists but that used to 21:22be interested in early-stage stuff now 21:25the venture capitalists only one second 21:27round stuff they they're moved away from 21:30it and so the angel investors kind of 21:32moved up the upper chain - they're 21:34they're less interested in something 21:36that's just an idea and so - fell in at 21:41that resource that gap they're a 21:45crowdfunding has has sprung up so you've 21:48got IndieGoGo and Kickstarter and you 21:52know only about 800 other crowdfunding 21:55uh groups that are out there but they're 21:59you know that's that's the venue that 22:03some people try to choose and and go 22:06ahead and do and it's not an easy course 22:08either you know 22:11um it's funny I tell people don't don't 22:16take yourself too seriously because 22:18nobody else will 22:19of course if if you're asking for 22:23somebody for money they're going to take 22:25you very seriously and at that point you 22:27had better be serious 22:29you know because what they want to know 22:32is how am I going to get my money back 22:33and how am I going to get more money out 22:35of this operation so if you don't have 22:38those answers if if your answer is well 22:42I'm going to use your money and I'm 22:44going to build inventory and then I'm 22:45going to see if it sells that's that's 22:48not a great argument you know you've got 22:50to have you've got to have all the 22:53details about you know who wants to buy 22:56your product why they want to buy it and 22:58how it's going to be the next big seller 23:01so no that's awesome advice because yeah 23:05I I agree with you and you just you know 23:08the days of saying hey I have this idea 23:09give me a whole bunch of money I think 23:11that has gone going wayward is there a 23:14certain point that an inventor has to 23:17take his product to say a certain space 23:21or stage before they should really start 23:24looking for funding or or for an 23:27investor obviously friends and family 23:29that's different because it can be an 23:30idea but if you were going to go to seed 23:34funding or an angel investor is there a 23:36certain point that you should reach 23:38before you start doing that well I mean 23:42I would say yes but then then you've got 23:44the stuff like uh what is it uh magic 23:50magic leap who just got uh you know one 23:56point four billion dollars in the in 23:58funding or something ridiculous like 24:00that and they haven't produced a product 24:02yet you know they did it with 24:05promotional videos and they they got uh 24:08you know a lot of people really excited 24:10about it and so having a having friends 24:17in high places helps for sure but 24:19generally you want to have your proof of 24:22concept you want to at least 24:24have a prototype have something that 24:27that is a semblance of yeah this will 24:30work and this is why it will work and 24:32this is the industry that needs this you 24:35know we we tell inventors don't invent 24:39something because you think it's a cool 24:41idea invent something that has an 24:44element that somebody needs look for a 24:48pain point something that is painful for 24:50people that causes an issue that causes 24:53a problem the bigger the pain the better 24:55and come up with a solution for that 24:57then you've got your your target market 25:01you know you've got your audience that 25:03that will be interested in your product 25:05no pain no gain basically yes the great 25:10part about this is this information you 25:13could tell you've been doing this for 25:14years this information just flowing out 25:16as you're talking you don't even have to 25:18think about it because obviously you 25:19live it daily I know that you are an 25:22inventor and I love the name of your 25:26company intended it's the input 25:29nomenclature 10-digit interface device I 25:32was just about to say that little geeky 25:36it's a great little name I love the day 25:39when you said send me information over I 25:40was like that is really cool name you 25:42know and obviously you spent a little 25:44bit of time thinking about it which is 25:46good you and I both have probably seen 25:48you know inventors or people come up 25:51with a name that you just say what yeah 25:55but let's talk a little bit about your 25:58invention and give their listeners and 26:02if you are viewing on youtube or on our 26:04website you'll get to see what the 26:06invention is for we know kind of 26:07obviously going to explain a little bit 26:09too and and maybe tell us how you came 26:11up with it as you're kind of going 26:13through it sure well basically I've 26:16reinvented the keyboard I was taking a 26:19typing class the first day of class the 26:21the teacher said or one of the students 26:24asked why are the keys where they are on 26:26the keyboard and the teacher said well 26:28according to maybe speaking teaches 26:30typing they were arranged that way to 26:32slow people down so that the mechanical 26:34hammers didn't jam on the keyboard it's 26:37not exactly the 26:38it's actually kind of a myth because the 26:41key if that were the truth then the 26:44keyboard would have had to been 26:45redesigned it hasn't it's the same 26:49design that came out in 1869 so we're 26:54talking before Edison's light bulb 26:56before Tesla's AC power and before 26:58Bell's telephone so the QWERTY keyboard 27:01has been around that long it's it's 27:04almost 150 years old and the the couple 27:09of reasons in the QWERTY keyboard the 27:11way it is designed one Charles late 27:14impose who invented it was a type 27:17settest so he you know he wanted to keep 27:19blocks of type you know similar to where 27:23typesetters would utilize it that that's 27:25what we envisioned as his target market 27:28was type settest s' it was going to 27:30replace typeset us for for putting a 27:35type I'm on paper and and then all of 27:40the vowels for I mean all of the letters 27:43for the word typewriter are on the top 27:45row and that's why you know all of the 27:49vowels are on the top row except for a a 27:51is not in typewriter so he buried a 27:54underneath Q and W because you're not 27:56going to use Q and W very often so a 27:59would have a free-throw for it so kind 28:02of kind of some crazy ideas and I 28:04thought this is this is really nuts 28:06there's got to be something that makes 28:07more sense I found the Dvorak keyboard 28:09which just rearranged the keys a little 28:12bit and was tinkering in the garage one 28:15day holding on to a ball I thought well 28:17wouldn't it be nice if you didn't have 28:18to move your hands you know kind of 28:20lamenting the fact that you know when I 28:22type a I'd hit two keys or I'd hit the 28:24wrong key if you didn't have to move 28:26your hands how would that work I said 28:28all right well you got ten fingers two 28:31opposable thumbs 28:31so if it'd you do one one key for ten 28:35letters hold one thumb for eight and 28:38then hold the other thumb for eight 28:39eight and eight is 16 plus 10 is 26 so 28:42it's so the Latin alphabet right there 28:45and you know wow that's amazing that 28:49works like that 28:51somebody must have come across that and 28:53I went online and searched and didn't 28:55find anything 28:57I figured that it had to be more than 29:00just the letters so I figured alright 29:02well where am I going to put the enter 29:04the space the backspace and and so much 29:07of that just kind of fit in with where I 29:10originally put the letters like t for 29:13tab C for comma all of that just fell 29:16into place so so amazingly I said well 29:19it's it's almost like this is really the 29:21way typing was intended and then I came 29:26up with the name of the company is 29:27typing the way it's intended you know 29:29it's the input input is of course input 29:32nomenclature is the science of naming 29:34things 10 is the number of keys digit in 29:38there you know digits interface device 29:41so it's an input nomenclature 10 digit 29:43interface device are intended and I 29:46brought a couple of samples this was the 29:48the very first device that I built based 29:52on the premise of it if you if you look 29:56up the patent that's the image that's on 29:58there it's a just a wooden keyboard we 30:01did you know like large piano keys so 30:04that it would be one key for each each 30:06hand and you know then it evolved over 30:11time 30:12nothing nothing stays quite the same and 30:14and now this is the actual product that 30:16that we're selling on Amazon it's called 30:19the Decca text so Decca Decca for 10 and 30:22texts for texting txt and so it's a b c 30:27d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w 30:32x y z Wow base backspace enter period 30:36postmark exclamation tab come ' so 30:38you've got 108 keystrokes a Bluetooth 30:43low-energy and you know we saw them now 30:48on Amazon getting ready to to revise it 30:53probably go to version 2 and I'll 30:56probably have to do a Kickstarter to to 30:58get the money for for doing all of that 31:00so I cannot believe when you just held 31:02that 31:04from the first version to what you held 31:06up how small but that is a working 31:09product you're selling that product on 31:11Adam yes yeah actually when we were 31:16playing with different designs I did one 31:18kind of similar to this showed it at the 31:21CTIA show and wearable wearables in 31:25motion 31:26unfortunately the artist that was 31:30walking it out on the stage to show 31:32everybody was wearing a bikini so nobody 31:34even looked at the the keyboard at all 31:36and then one other design that I did we 31:40we took the interface and we wrapped it 31:43around an Xbox 360 controller Wow and so 31:46that the idea is you'd be able to type 31:49and play your game all at the same time 31:52and still USB at the time and the 31:57distributor's loved it 31:59people loved it but Microsoft and Sony 32:02were selling keyboards for $30 and the 32:05distributor was like well can you get it 32:06get it close to $30 I can't even make it 32:10for $30 you know so so it's it's one of 32:14those ideas that I'd love to pursue but 32:16I'm afraid it's on hold until so we can 32:20you know get some kind of a win behind 32:24the sales on that one 32:25yeah no I mean just think how far you've 32:27come with that I mean I'm still in in 32:29awe when you held up that that finished 32:32product are you making that is that 32:34us-based where the manuscript 32:36yeah built right here in Florida and you 32:39know we're primarily we're looking at a 32:41target market for people that either 32:44have lost a limb somebody that's a low 32:49vision so they can't really see a 32:50touchscreen too terribly well but we're 32:53also looking at the virtual reality 32:55because you know once you got that 32:57goggle on how do you control the 33:00computer how do you interface how do you 33:02do a search and stuff like that right 33:05now what they're doing is they've got a 33:07little thing where you point you click 33:08and that's that's miserable you know and 33:12if you're searching for movies on 33:14Netflix and you have to you know 33:17arrow this way and arrow down and click 33:19in an arrow up in there it's tonight mer 33:22and so we think that this product can 33:25can help solve a lot of those issues so 33:28I'm still I still I got to get my hand 33:32just to test it I made it it's so 33:34cool-looking um so a target market if 33:37you were going to say this would be my 33:39target market I mean I can see it for 33:42for like you said maybe even in special 33:45needs or lost a limb or something like 33:47that movement it cuts down the movement 33:50I don't have both hands typing I can 33:53actually 33:53I mean how what kind of time frame would 33:55it take if I got that in my hand and I 33:57said I'm going to learn how to use this 33:58you know is it a huge difference if you 34:02change or pretty quick um you know you 34:05you it's a different type of skill so 34:08you don't lose your you know if you're a 34:11fast QWERTY typer 34:12it's completely different skill it's 34:14it's not that muscle memory not the same 34:17so you can carry on both skills at the 34:20same time and it's it's really because 34:24it's alphabetical in nature it's it's 34:26really a quick learn mastering it of 34:29course is going to take a little bit of 34:31practice and you know when I tell you 34:34that out of 10 keys there's a hundred 34:36and eight keystrokes you know with all 34:39the F keys and and everything else in 34:41there it's going to take a little bit 34:42but as you can see I don't know how well 34:46you can see that the label has 96 34:49keystrokes on it it's all color-coded so 34:53that you know you don't have to carry 34:55something around in order to find out 34:57how do I make a less than symbol or a 35:01greater than symbol or a % but they're 35:05all printed on the label and it's 35:08color-coded so you can you can see how 35:10to do it that way you don't have to 35:11carry something around of course the 35:13object is to type with one hand you can 35:15type while you're walking you know a lot 35:19of the emphasis is not sitting anymore 35:23they say sitting is the new new smoking 35:26so if you're going to be up and moving 35:27around to having a one-handed keyboard 35:31that you're a 35:31to keep moving in you know maybe a gyro 35:33Mouse or something like that so you 35:35could conserve stuff so you know it's a 35:40new way of doing things it's a it's a 35:44new world 35:44yeah well the great part about it is I 35:46mean I've been typing on on keyboards 35:49since the mid 90s and I still screw up 35:52when I'm typing so to me learning 35:54something that's new it it can't be any 35:58worse than what I'm doing now I mean I'm 35:59hunting and pecking onyx I've been doing 36:01it for you know over sir just absolutely 36:04that great part about what you're saying 36:05it's just a new way of doing things but 36:07I walk a lot and as you were talking 36:10about that I mean I keep my hand down 36:12and having that in my hand and being 36:13able to walk pose an email or maybe just 36:18you know jot notes on your thoughts you 36:22know I also built it into gloves so he 36:25had had little buttons on the fingertips 36:28and the idea was if you were a skin 36:31diver you know you could be taking notes 36:34you're just typing on your legs 36:37and I actually did a presentation over 36:42at the Kennedy Space Center for a whole 36:45bunch of rocket scientists showing them 36:46how they could type with gloves so that 36:48was you know when I said you know enjoy 36:51the journey enjoy where it's going to 36:53take you you know that's that's one of 36:55the places that it took me and I went to 36:58to Finland and engaged novel concepts in 37:03the keyboards for the human-computer 37:09interactions 37:10mobility hosted by Nokia and it was 37:15really neat it was yeah yeah inventing 37:18inventing can take you lots of different 37:20places you know and you know going to 37:23CES we did a did a booth at CES 37:27unfortunately at the time I had 37:30engineers that said oh yeah yeah well 37:32we'll have it we'll have it done in time 37:34and you can throw money at engineers and 37:39if if it's over their head that it 37:42didn't work so we wound up 37:45at CES I had one device that was working 37:48bluetooth and they couldn't even 37:50duplicate it they couldn't even get the 37:52other ones working so unfortunately I 37:54lost a lot of time and money on some 37:57engineers and fortunately I was able to 37:59find some other engineers that were able 38:01to do it but when you've when your 38:04resources are you know when you're 38:06bankrolling everything yourself losing 38:10losing time and money is painful 38:12yeah and for all you inventors that are 38:14out there and inventing a product a 38:17plastic product or something that 38:19doesn't move but something that that 38:21Wayne is creating it's an expensive 38:24undertaking there's no doubt about it 38:26every little change every little update 38:28I mean you're talking some some big 38:30changes it's expensive so your eye 38:33I applaud how far you've made it so far 38:35I mean you actually have a working 38:37product you're manufacturing it here in 38:40the US I mean there's not too many 38:42people that have taken a product as far 38:44as you have yeah well you know that's 38:48whether it's successful or not I can 38:50rest easy and knowing that you know I 38:52didn't think about it and say what could 38:55have been I actually did it and put it 38:58out there not giving up yet and so you 39:03know we'll see whether or not I can find 39:06the the the magic ingredient that that 39:09makes it popular so that now do you have 39:12inventory on some of our viewers want to 39:14try to get your product or purchase it 39:15they can go on Amazon and got about a 39:17dozen left not too many more so you know 39:21if you if you're interested in the first 39:23generation of a new technology then you 39:27know grab it quick $125 on Amazon so you 39:33know not not the cheapest keyboard you 39:35can get for sure but if you look at 39:38competing keyboards that are similar 39:40it's called a cord keyboard the 39:44competition would be the bat keyboard be 39:4780 there's also the twig ler which is 39:51now on Twitter 3 they're both about $200 39:56and and then there's 39:59there are other keyboards the the 40:01one-handed QWERTY half QWERTY I think 40:06they call it almost 600 bucks so so 40:11we're it's relatively competitively 40:14priced if you consider the actual market 40:17for it is that that's great and you know 40:20a lot of people that are portable are 40:22going mobile if they're thinking about 40:24getting a product definitely I mean 40:25looking up no reason not to I mean great 40:27part so if you're a road warrior and you 40:29don't have enough room in the in the in 40:31the coach seating you know to have 40:35something that you can just keep right 40:36there in your hand and be able to type 40:38without having to you know do one of 40:40those things and get your elbows in 40:42everybody's way also you know if you've 40:45got ALS you don't have that broad motor 40:47skills you can't move your hands out but 40:49you can keep them in close to you you'd 40:51be able to to navigate it and be able to 40:55use it too and you know it's a it's a 40:58Bluetooth device so even if you were 41:00just doing a PowerPoint presentation and 41:03you wanted to change the slides you know 41:05you could advance the slides you could 41:07do old tab to to a window and open up a 41:11website and so lots of different things 41:14you can do at a keyboard obviously no 41:16doubt about it now we're getting a 41:18little low on time is one good one 41:19question obviously before we go so you 41:21talked about going to CES and you 41:22mentioned shows do you recommend if an 41:27inventor it seems like their shows for 41:30every product you recommend an inventor 41:32should go maybe to one or two shows 41:34before they get out there too far into 41:37their invention to see what's out there 41:38and maybe there's some competing devices 41:40or get out there and with their product 41:43and maybe pick up either in investment 41:45sales or licensing is it is it good to 41:47visit those shows 41:48absolutely absolutely uh you know you're 41:52going to meet so many people you're 41:55going to meet the people on the on the 41:56plane on the bus you know it's a it's 41:59incredible the amount of people that you 42:01can meet just the and then going booth 42:04to booth and seeing what other people 42:05are doing and saying well you know 42:07here's here's my idea and how I believe 42:10it can be incorporated in with your idea 42:12or 42:12how it's the perfect product for your 42:15distribution company or something like 42:17that that that's invaluable you really 42:21need to be able to get out and do those 42:22sorts of things now there are 42:24opportunities where you can do that for 42:25free 42:27there are we've got just right now 42:29coming up the Orlando Maker Faire is is 42:33coming up there just started accepting 42:36applications I think it's through August 42:38that they'll be accepting them so if you 42:42look for the Orlando Maker Faire and put 42:45in an application you can get a table 42:47for free set it up you know show your 42:50stuff get people to come by and and you 42:53know fill out a survey what they like 42:56what they don't like maybe you'll have a 42:57giveaway or something like that if you 42:59want to sell your product I think it's 43:01$100 for the two days of the event so 43:04it's it's really you know a great great 43:07opportunity to test market there's also 43:11the New York Maker Faire is in September 43:15the Orlando Maker Faire is going to be 43:17October 21st and 22nd I know because the 43:2021st is my birthday so I haven't decided 43:23whether or not that's what I want to do 43:25for my birthday yet but but yeah the the 43:28New York one the San Francisco one just 43:31took place if you're not familiar with 43:33Maker Faire look it up it's it's 43:35tremendous it's it's makers it's people 43:37that do things that build things and and 43:39that would be one free opportunity of 43:42but there's also the oh the hardware 43:48show in Vegas the CES if you can get to 43:51that I've been to a three out in 43:55California you know brought the key 43:57brought the deck the tech skin out to 44:02CES III rather and you know got lots of 44:07lots of great reactions bring a camera 44:10record people's reactions because that's 44:13that's marketing gold you know you want 44:16to you want to get people to give you 44:18their their honest opinions you know 44:20don't don't press them to say 44:26you know no scripted stuff you know you 44:29want it to be honest because that's 44:32that's really where it counts yeah and 44:34you know I where you're going with this 44:36is before you put your life savings 44:39before you order 50,000 units all yeah 44:41where you develop get out there and get 44:43some feedback on your idea on your 44:46product and and you know hopefully we'll 44:48back up on it don't fall in love with 44:50your idea you would as a business it's 44:51great to have an invention it's great to 44:53have idea we all love ideas but if 44:55you're going to put money into it make 44:56sure that there's a need for your 44:58product out your garage is not for 45:00inventory don't do that there's there's 45:03too many people that say oh well you 45:06know let's let's get a thousand of these 45:07things because it's cheaper that way no 45:10you know a hundred hundred at a time if 45:13if that you know just keep it keep it 45:17easy don't don't 45:20divorced over it just that's really 45:23expensive yeah no doubt about no way 45:25we're going to wrap up a little bit you 45:27have so much to give I mean time has 45:31gone by so quickly if somebody wanted to 45:33get in touch with you had some questions 45:34for you they want to maybe hear more 45:36about the inventors Council how could 45:39they get in touch with you oh sure okay 45:41well if you if you're interested in 45:44looking at the deck of text you can look 45:46at that for Decca text 45:48Dec 18 one website or Intendant comm is 45:55another for the and there's there's 46:00contact information on those pages and 46:02for the inventors council were tibi I 46:06see dot u.s. so Tampa Bay inventors 46:11Council TB ICUs somebody else had the 46:15dot-com unfortunately so but yeah great 46:18and that's that's where you can get a 46:21hold of us and like I say we have 46:22meetings twice a month that's great 46:25really helps people get out there since 46:27it twice a month and all of the 46:30information everything Wayne has talked 46:33about all the contact information the 46:35web sites will all be available on the 46:38vendors inventors Launchpad website our 46:42show notes if you're driving or you 46:45don't want to stop to write that stuff 46:46down and you know again if you have a 46:48question reach out to Wayne 46:49the guy has been doing this for so long 46:51you've got the inventors Council there's 46:53no reason to think that you have to go 46:55this invention route alone there's 46:57people out there that will help you 46:58there's people out there will give you 47:00advice you don't have to take it but 47:02they will so don't use fear to stop you 47:06from talking about your idea or getting 47:08help Wayne thank you so much for being 47:11on a show today your invention is 47:13awesome I'm going to go on Amazon right 47:14now and take a look at it by the way oh 47:16and and all the information everything 47:18you gave is great I again applaud you 47:20for being on even accounts for being the 47:23president where were 13 years helping 47:25people move their products forward it's 47:27it's really a great commitment that you 47:30made Oh Carmen thank you so much for for 47:33inviting me on and the 47:34we love you guys love when you guys come 47:37out and do presentations for us to at 47:39the the inventors council so you know 47:42it's it's good to have good to have 47:44these resources you know Tampa Bay is as 47:46rich as a rich area this is the 47:48birthplace of home shopping and and so 47:51much more commercials and infomercials 47:53and you know it's it's a hotbed so we 47:57love being here now I agree and I thank 47:59you very much and we'll see you soon Lee 48:01all right thank you